Christians: When does this take place?

Question

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

What is your explanation of this, who is the woman, who is the seed, WHEN DOES IT TAKE PLACE?

Answer 1

This event started around the time of Constantine and continues unto this day.

The Woman in this instance is the body of believers strictly of Israylite genetic stock. The prophetic symbology continues from the vein of the prophets. The woman is Israyl. She brought forth the Man, Yahshua. She is Yahweh's bride, Jer.3:1-14. i.e. the Son of Yahweh, Yahshua. The dragon hates Israyl and their Messiah, so it vomited out 'water', i.e. words or false teaching, attempting to drown Israyl and the true faith in false doctrine, but Yahweh protected her in a separated place. The 'earth' in question is the Roman Earth of Revelation, i.e. where the roman empire ruled. This region went through MORE troubles (after the Seals had been opened) once they converted into a religious empire and were plauged by the "TRUMPETS" of judgement. This afforded protection for the Israylites of the true faith, the woman. AFTER THIS, this dragon has made war with the remnant offspring of Israyl, the true believers, which keep the commandments of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua / the Spirit of Prophecy. THIS will continue until the return of the Messiah when he establishes the fullness of the Kingdom ON EARTH. We are presently in the sixth vial or Revelation 16 with the 3 spirits like frogs drawing the nations to the battle. The dragon (humanism, self will, free will, communism, socialism etc.), the beast (namely Roman Catholic Church and daughter christian churches), false prophet (mohammed and therefore Islam) are manifesting now through the Islamic Revolution started in 1978, the Revoultion in 1917 in Russia, and 1917 Fatima vision for the Catholics and Ecumenical movements to go back under the skirt of mother the protestants have been manifesting, etc, coming forth in this vial. The DAUGHTERS of this false doctrine system also are part of the assault. Christianity is the main force behind the assault on the true faith of Scripture in the territory, kingdoms, of Israylite dominance. They have a different Messiah named jesus. They have a different spirit, which they call holy. They have a different gospel, which they claim is multi-racial, multi-cultural. They teach against keeping the commandments of Yahweh. They do not proclaim the law given at Mt. Horeb, as Malichi 4 said the remnant would do. Just like Paul said they would have, they are given a strong delusion so that they should believe a lie that they all might be damned. Peter said they would twist the writings of Paul, therefore they are using them intently, to their own destruction. Jude says they are filthy dreamers and seek to DEFILE the FLESH of Israylites through miscegenation as Balaam, Cain, Sodom, and the 'angels' did. That they despise the DOMINION MANDATE given to the the woman, the Israylite people, the true ekklesia, the true king/priests. Yes, THIS IS HAPPENING NOW, even as it has happened since Constantine made christianity the dominant faith in the Roman earth, even on Yahoo answers, and when you vote for a paganized cretin christian as best answer, you manifest just who's side you are on in this war to the death. Yet I know you are only manifesting what was APPOINTED by Yahweh.
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

The true Messiah Yahshua is offensive to the cretin christian, as they think they have need of nothing and are yet destitute.

Answer 2

I have to go with Warrior and Lone Stranger as being most biblical correct EVEN though I have not yet done a study of Revelations. I say this because the Roman Catholic view given is definitely wrong as I was raised as one and became born again at 31. Also the other one who talks about Christians not keeping commandments and have own messiah is probably coming from some other religion that is not Christian. I have to say I think Warrior is more right but then Lone Stranger made some good points and Revelation is very hard to understand, in fact at my church it takes 43 weeks to go through it for 1 1/2 hour a week!! I hope you find your answer and I hope you find a good Revelation Study on line and IF you do Please share it!!!! Peace!

Answer 3

The dragon is Satan! The woman means, every human that is brought into the world is through a woman.

Satan was angry with woman and went for war againts her seeds which are us the church/Christians!

This does not take place, but will take place! Revelation is about what will happen in the last days and we are living in the last days, it's only a matter of time before the Revelation takes place!

Hope, you got your explanation. God Bless!

Answer 4

It is taking place now...The woman is the Church..The stars are her congregation...One third of these stars fall to the Islamic dragon cult..This is the great falling away of 2 Thess. 2..
The dragon is that old serpent, aka satan, aka lucifer... Lucifer as promised in Isaiah 14-13 has exalted his throne in the heavenly places...He does this by the deception that allah is the God of Abraham....Both he and one third of the stars are cast down to earth..These reappear in Revelation 13... The stars are the earth beast OF REV 13 that HAD TWO HORNS LIKE A LAMB BUT ARE NOW INDWELLED BY THE DRAGON AND SPEAK THUS..
This dragon goes to make war with the temnant of the SEED OF THE WOMAN....THIS SEED OF THE WOMAN AND THE DRAGON'S SEED ARE THE PROPHECY OF GENESIS 3-15..THE DEVIL LOSES FOR TIME AND ETERNITY....WE SHOULD SEE THIS END SOON..

Answer 5

We don't know when it takes place, but some time during the Tribulation obviously. The woman is representative I think of both Mary and Eve. One is the beginning of the human race and one is the beginning of salvation. Her seed are the Jewish people who fight against the anti-Christ. He won't like anything to do with God, and Jewish people who are keeping God's commandments and following after Jesus would be a thorn in his side.

Answer 6

mastermind is correct the dragon is the satan. you can read verses 3-4 where he was kicked out of heaven with fallen angels. the woman is the isrealite's or the old testament church when the antichrist commits the ultimate sin the isrealites are going to realize christ was the messiah and alot are going to come to him. the rapture has already occured gentiles are out of the picture. he is making spiritual war with those isrealite's who are being born again. this is the seed. this takes place 3.5 years in the tribulation

Answer 7

The woman is the church (mentioned repeatedly in the bible). The remnant of here seed would be the remainder of the believers on Earth... as indicated by "which keep the commandments of God and have testimony of Jesus Christ"

It takes place at some time in the future. It is just talking about the anti-Christ tricking many believers into following him and destroying the church and true believers.

Answer 8

The dragon is Satan and his politico-religious cronies; the woman is the true church of Christ; the seed that keep the commandments are the followers of Christ; and it already happened with the rise of Nero, and is continuing to this very day.

Answer 9

In this passage in Revelation we see a few things happening.
Just go give a bird's eye view.

1- A Woman who brings forth a man-child and a Great Red Dragon-Satan.

2- We see the Woman in Travail

3- We see the Great Dragon against this Woman

4- We see the man-child Born and Caught up to God and to His Throne.

5- We see this Woman Fleeing

6- There is War in Heaven

7- The Triumphant shout in Heaven. The accuser of the bretheren being cast down to the earth.

8- This Dragon Persecuting the Woman

9- The Dragon making war with the rest of the Woman's Seed.

This capsules the main points of this chapter brother George.
We see 4 crucial persons here.
The woman.. The man-child.. The Dragon .. The rest of the Woman's seed.

Looks as If this woman produces a stronger part of herself. This man-child, who the Dragon is against and wants to destroy. THis man-child is caught up to the Throne of God upon being born.
Who is the is this woman
WHo is the man-child

The woman corrisponds with Joseph's dream in Genesis 37:9. Joseph saw the sun, moon and the 11 stars, signifying his mother father and 11 brothers. Including Joseph.. there would be 12 stars. TWELVE stars here must signify the totality of God's people on the earth.. which is symbolized here by a woman.
Her being is clothed with the sun. The Sun here brother signifies God's people in the New Testament age. Before Christ came to teh world it was dark night of the Old testament age. When Christ as the RISING SUN came from on High ( Luke 1:78) the age of the SUN came.
The moon is underneath the feet of the woman. The age of the Moon is the age of the Law which shold not be exaulted as the stars are.

The stars which signify the Patriachs, God's people before the Law was given are on her head as a crown. So All God's people in these THREE stages together constitute this woman, are light bearers. Hence brother.. She is the BRIGHT WOMAN shining throughout all the generations. SHe represents the TOTALITY of all God's people...

The man-child is very significant. This Man-child is the stronger part of God's people. THroughout all the generations there are some stronger ones among God's people. These are considered in the Bible as a collective unit fighting the Battle for God's people and bringing God's kingdom down to earth.

The woman signifies the weaker one and the man the stronger one.
1 Peter 3:7
Husbands in like manner dwell together with them according to knowledge as with the weaker female vessel assigning honour to them as also to fellow heirs of the grace of life that your prayers may not be hindered.

So in principle brother george.. the woman here signifies the weaker one and the man child the stronger one.
THis manchild is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod...indicating that the manchild consists of all the " Overcomers" that we see in Revelation 2:26-27

At the end of each epistle to the 7 churches in Revelation.. from Ephesus to Laodicea.. there is a call to the overcomers. These make up part of the man child... along
with all those in the generations of God's people. I am talking from the Patriachs to NOW. Its quite mindblowing .. but its amazing.

This man child is caught up to the throne of God. THis is a kind of rapture of the believers who are overcomers.
Following this rapture brother.. satan as the Great Red dRagon unleases His full anger and wrath on the earth.. Persecuting not only the remaining believers ( the woman) and the rest of her seed ( believing Jews who keep the commandments of God and those who have the testimony of Jesus) Both the woman and her seed will pass through the great tribulation adn suffer the dragon's persecution and attack.

So from what the word is showing here brother.. This Matter of the Birthing and Rapture of the Manchild takes place at the middle .. the 3 and Half mark of the tribulation. Just before the GREAT part of the Tribulation occurs.

The man-child would not taste of this because these ones overcame during their lifetime. They were fullly transformed and ready for the Lord's return ..even before they died. Brothers liek Paul and Peter.. John.. and all the precious ones who have gone before us will make up this stronger part of the woman.
The firstfruit.. the alive believers who are fully ready before al the others are ripened will also be a part of this rapture...
Revelation 14:4
These are they who have not been defiled with women for they are virgins. These are they who follow the Lamb wherever He may go. these were purchased from among men as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

May we be the firstfruits brother George. Those who do not taste death and are made ready for the coming Parousea of the Lord. That with the manchild we would comprise this Bride who will defeat the enemy.


I hope i was not too confusing brother
Revelation .. is always such an intimidating book.. but its riches are so far reaching and deep.May we delve to labour on it to glean out its nuggets:)

In Christ
sandy

Answer 10

you aren't going to like the truth! in the Bible woman represents a church, the dragon represents the beast,in this case the dragon represents the roman catholic church, and the woman represents God's true church of today. they follow what God says, they keep all ten commandments as Jesus did, John 15:10 they keep God's true sabbath holy, instead of following the sabbath man set forth as a law.the Bible say this church is his remnant remanant meaning the last of a roll the last parts of something, the small parts of something. if you take all the churches that follow the day of worship that man set up as a law, and combind them togather the number will be great. But if you take the one remnant church of God and count it's members it will not be so many only several houndred thousands. in this case majority is wrong.