What is missing? What church has these?

Question

Baptism for the dead. 1st Cor 15:29
Reception of the Holy Ghost. John 20;22, Acts 19:26
Temples. Mal 3:1
Physical Godhead. Luke 24:36-43 (Like Father, like Son)
Pre existance of Spirits. Job 38:7
Prophets/Apostles. Eph 4:11-14
Right to interpret scripture. 2 peter 1:20

I hope this clears up the confusion.

Answer 1

Alot of religions 'choose' what doctrine to follow and what to ignore.

But if you want to know what religion has all of the ones you mentioned, the only one I know of is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints, or the Mormons.

Answer 2

1. We are NEVER commanded to Baptize for the dead. The Corinthian church had lots of problems in it, which we are told about so that we don't make their mistakes. In chapter five we learn about a man having sex with his father's new wife. Are you claiming that we should be having sex with our father's new wife?

2. Bible believing Christians have received the Holy Ghost when we get saved ever since John 20:22. I've preached many times on John 20:22. And Act 19:26.

3. Jesus said in John chapter four:

21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

So you Mormons are going backwards when you started building Temples.

4. Luke 24:36-43 tells us that Jesus rose from the dead but it says nothing about God the Father having a physical body.

5. Every Bible believing church in the USA believes in the angels described in Job 38:7. Those are not pre existant "spirits" created by having sex in heaven.

6. Apostles are missionaries, and those who prophesy need to have their prophesies judged according to the Scriptures. False prophets add things and take things away from the 66 books of the Bible which are the only Scriptures.

7. 2 Peter 1:20 proves Joseph Smith is a false prophet.

Everything you've said proves the the Mormons or LDS are a false cult.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Pastor Art

Answer 3

As an old Minister friend of mine once said, "If you find the perfect church, don't join it. If you do it will no longer be perfect."

In regards to 1st Co 15:29, I don't think Paul is advocating people be baptized on behalf of a dead person. I think he is pointing out that baptism would be futile exercise there really was a resurrection. I would feel very uncomfortable at the thought of someone promoting people being baptised on behalf of the dead, it's the sort of thing early cults did. Getting into Heaven should be a matter of free choice. That is why Jesus spoke in parables, so people had a free choice as to whether they believed or not. People who are dead don't have a free choice as to whether or not they believe, the existence of God is plain to them, whether they are in Heaven or in Hell, they all believe; so there is no choice.
Baptism is part of the final command of Jesus before he left earth, the other part of the final command is to teach all disciples to obey what he has commanded. Since the latter part isn't possible for a dead person, then surely the former part isn't expected either.

Answer 4

The Mormons but I'm sorry don't except baptizing for the dead. I feel that scripture is not being interpreted properly. Also don't agree with their Prophet system were only the head of their church is the prophet of that day. God doesn't change he always picked who he wanted to be a prophet, not the head of the church. In fact isn't that why they had plural marriage then it changed with a different leader (prophet).

Answer 5

<>< I believe the Mormon church has Baptism for the dead. I have read how Jewish people are furious about this when they try to do that for them. Unfortunately I think they have misinterpreted what that means. "The dead" refers those that have not yet received Christ as their Savior not dead people. I also believe they call certain people prophets and apostles. I actually went to this "meeting" with a friend one time (I did not know what I was getting myself into) where this person that claimed to be one of 12 prophets was speaking. It was quite something and he approached me and told me I was blessed. Hmm...anyway, I digress...I am not sure about the rest. Not sure exactly what you are looking for.

Answer 6

I wonder about these things.
1 paul was condeming the corinthians for baptism of the dead. (because they could not rise again)
2.i believe in reception of holy ghost ( i have received and spoke in tongues just like in the 2nd chap. of acts) but your 2nd verse(Acts 19:26) doesn't mention anyone receiving the holy ghost
4. physical godhead - I beleive in Jesus christ who was both the son of God and God manifested in the flesh.

Answer 7

... Things that are usually misunderstood and misinterpreted. As these are commonly seen, they reflect flawed understandings.

I'll start with the simplest. Malachi 3:1 is a clear reference to John and then Jesus coming to the temple.


Your "physical godhead" is just that... YOURS. The fact that Jesus had a physical body both before and after his death and resurrection in no way indicates that the Father has or ever had these. This teaching clearly contradicts scriptures like John 4:24 “God is spirit. His worshipers must worship him in spirit and in truth.”


Prophets and apostles... Paul clearly tells the church in Corinth that miraculous gifts of the Spirit were temporary:
1Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 BUT WHEN COMPLETENESS COMES, WHAT IS IN PART DISAPPEARS.

Nothing in scripture indicates "apostolic succession." On the contrary, scripture teaches that it within itself is sufficient:

John 20:30 Jesus did many other miraculous signs in front of his disciples. They are not written down in this book. 31 But these are written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. If you believe this, you will have life because you belong to him.

Revelation 22:18 I am warning everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If you add anything to them, God will add to you the plagues told about in this book. 19 If you take any words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from you your share in the tree of life. He will also take away your place in the Holy City. This book tells about these things.

Proverbs 30:6 Don’t add to his words.
If you do, he will correct you.
He will prove that you are a liar.


Interpretation... Here is a misunderstanding based on erroneous translations of the Greek text. 2Peter 1:20 is not about OUR interpretation, BUT THE ORIGIN of scripture prophecies. Good translations clear this up substantially: "Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever CAME FROM the prophet’s own understanding."


Pre-existence... That interpretation is not valid in any way. It is so far from the context and teaching of Job that it doesn't relate to the meaning of the text at all. To take "kal beney elohiym" (all the sons of God) from the Hebrew text at Job 38:7 and say it means spirits of unborn children is ludicrous. If that is the best you have, then you don't have anything to support that claim.


Baptism "for the dead" is a unique passage. Paul indicates by present tense that there are people in Corinth doing something, but does not explain sufficiently WHAT is happening. The final prepositional phrase of 1Corinthians 15:29 may be interpreted as newly baptized believers "taking the place" in the living church of the believers who had died or it may be interpreted as "on behalf of" someone who had died. The lds interpretation denies Peter's statement of 1Peter 4:17 “…If judgment BEGINS WITH US, WHAT TERRIBLE FATE AWAITS THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER OBEYED GOD’S GOOD NEWS?” IF there were a way AROUND that fate, why would Peter bring up the fate without mentioning the alternative method?


Holy Ghost... The Johannine passage seems to be STRICTLY for the apostles. The context limits it to them and then, after Pentecost, the gifts were passed by LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLES' HANDS. I don't see that the Acts passage relates: Acts 19:26 "You have seen and heard what this fellow Paul is doing. He has talked to large numbers of people here in Ephesus. Almost everywhere in Asia Minor he has led people away from our gods. He says that the gods we make are not gods at all." ...The Spirit is not mentioned at all.

Answer 8

Mormons.

Answer 9

This sounds like the mormon religion. Even though they believe that they have all these things in reality they do not.

Answer 10

mormons, the biggest cult in the usa