ROMAN CATHOLICS ONLY PLEASE. Why was verse 7 from I John, chap V replaced?

Question

"7. And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one."

Answer 1

Why are you asking Catholics. the Church has not decided officially either way because of contradictions in the oldest texts but has confirmed the Trinity at the Council of Nicaea. The only ones that I know who are adamant about the interpretation are King James only people who really have little interest in proper interpretation or scholarship.

The Catholic Church does not have a problem with the KJ translation of this verse.

These situations in translating Scriptures are very common. Thousands of contradictions have been found among texts. Some are indeed additions and others may just be scribal errors. Most of the time they can be reconciled by using sound techniques and scholarship but some of these situations remain. In this case it is not a situation where Catholic scholars can be accused of changing the text to match doctrine like the transliteration of the Jehovah Witnesses but instead the Trinity doctrine that the Scriptures support has been a part of the beliefs of the Church from the beginning and confirmed at the Council in Nicaea.

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

Answer 2

What do you mean when you say replaced? The New American (a Catholic translation) says "So there are three that testify, the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are of one accord."(1 John 5:7-8) The New International (a Protestant translation) says " For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement." These seem pretty similar to me. I'm drawing from the 2 versions used in church from when I was Baptist, and now that I'm Catholic. What version of the Bible are you using? Some Bibles are paraphrases and not translations, that can make a difference. I might better answer your question if I knew from what version of Scripture you were quoting.

Answer 3

Do you really expect them to know the correct answer to this question?

Actually verse 7 isn't the problem, its verse 8.

RSV, NIV, NASB and others put it into a footnote since they claim the verse is not found in any Greek manuscript older than the 16th century.

KJV has it in but they didn't have the really old manuscripts available that we have today.

I'm not a language expert, or an archaeologist. So I'll let the experts in those fields debate it.

And the evidence of the Trinity goes all the way back to the book of Genesis. So you don't need 1 John 5 to prove the Trinity.

Remember that not all translations number chapters and verses the same.

Compare Douay Rheims Psalms 22 with KJV Psalms 23.

The warning in Rev. 22 is not warning people not to add to or take away from the King James Version. That was written in Greek long before King James was even though of.

The Gold Standard by which any translation of the Bible should be judged is the best Hebrew and Greek manuscripts we have available, not some translation no matter what language its in.

Pastor Art

Answer 4

In what way replaced, If you mean why not the Son or Jesus? than that is simple The "Word" and Jesus is synonymous, Jesus is the word Made flesh. so it can be read The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost or The Father, The Word and the Holy Ghost.

Answer 5

As I recall, it is a later scribal interpolation, not in the earliest manuscripts.

It was the Church, at Nicea, that put together Christ's teachings to understand the Trinity.

This is not Catholic teaching, but biblical scholarship, accepted by all who want to read the original text of the Bible.

The advantage of Catholics is that we have the Church to which Jesus entrusted the faith, rather than only the first-century writings of the Church.

Cheers,
Bruce

Answer 6

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:7 In fact, there are three who tell about it.

It is on the translation that matters. However, it is not the fault of the reader or the one who teaches it but the fault of the translator.
The translator myb er punish according to Revelation, which reads as follows:
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I am not a Roman Catholic member but I hve answered it to clear your doubts about the changing of the translation.Do not worry, it is not your fault.

Answer 7

It is because they are denying Jesus. It is as simple as that. The Roman Catholic church has never been about Jesus. The Catholic bible is based on the bible used by the cult of Alexandria, in Egypt, from around the third century AD. (Yes, I said AD not CE. Have at you, politically correct sheep!) The differences are subtle, but it is still not the scripture God dictated to the prophets. Pope Benedict is going to be the last human Pope, the one who ushers in the era of the beast openly in control of the church rather than manipulating things from the background. You don't expect servants of the beast to acknowledge the true son of God, do you?

Answer 8

Catholicism is cursed and has cursed the original scripture that Xtians fall prey to. And blame Pagans for.

Answer 9

I don't know. I don't read the Bible. I just listen to the priest.