The Catholic plan for the ages?

Question

statement: made by a top jesuit preist concerning the future pans of world religeon

"A general convergeance of Religions upon a universal Christ who satisfies them all, that seems to me the only possible conversion of the world, and the only form in which a religion
of the future can be conceived."

Teilhard de Chardin, Christianity and Evolution pg 130

A Jesuit Monk


What does that mean to you?

A christ is to be modified to suit all religons so all religions under catholcsim can be the same, and broguht under one religion

welcome to the new world order


catholics what says you?

after all this guy knows a little bit more about Catholicsm and the pope than you do?

What if this guy is qwuoting what the church really want to do all along, untie the world under the antichrist who is posing as the next pope?

while we debate whether or not this guy is a loony, they are actually carying out his work?

that's the danger

the bible says the antichrist forces us all to acept the mark of the beast

maybe this false christ representation is exactly that

worship me and not the real Jesus?

Oblate: How will they explain the murder of 500 million chrisitans to God when he returns,
maybe you can explain it to me?

and did you really base your understanding on what your Jesuit monks said?

What Chardin is ultimately saying is this:

We will water down the word of god and tailor engineer it fro every culture:

but as chrisitans we should engineer and change ourselves for God

during the middle ages the spanish inquisition enforced catholicsim with the sword, the book of revelations said that she would make war withte saints

the catholic church is refered to as she....from a matriarchal point of view

is Charidn really echoing what is going to happen ion trhe not so distant future?

Answer 1

They are a dangerous bunch, but that is only if your mind is controlled by them.

Answer 2

I think you have disingenuously misinterpreted the Jesuit priest's statement to suite your own personal view. How ironic, given that you claim this is what the Church is doing

"A general convergeance of Religions upon a universal Christ who satisfies them all,. . ."

Let's stop right here for a sec. We know that, at some point in the future, all people will be united under a common Christian denomination. This will occur at a time unknown to us, other than that it is some time in the future.

Christ, whether one believes it or not, is Universal. It's only a matter of time (probably a long time) before the whole world figures this out. Carefully note that the priest is not talking so much about a particular Christian denomination satisfying the masses, but Christ Himself.

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It would have probably been better had the priest said, "THE religion of the future." Again, we know via Biblical prophecy that the world will someday be united under a common theological ideology. The fact we know such a thing is going to happen doesn't mean it's going to occur all by itself. The human race must play an active role in bringing about the fruition of this prophecy - and it will. But the priest is merely giving his audience some idea of what the human race must accomplish before the prophecy is realized.

The meaning behind this Jesuit priest's statement is not nearly as elusive as some would like to believe.

Answer 3

It seems we need the second coming for Jesus to straighten this all out. It is easy to say, "one world religion" however this would be a man-made controlled religion with other controls to follow. A lot is lost in compromise. Christ came here to found this Church and so be it! When 2 people get married in the Sacrament and then they are committing sin such as adultery, they are still in the Sacrament just as we are in the divine Church of Jesus Christ, but sinners are here too! Remember Jesus said in the end, He will come to separate the sheep from the goats and the wheat from the darnell (which is growing together.....)

Is one-world religion like communism? hmmm.....I will ask this question on the site.....Many Catholics now are returning to the older forms of worship and liturgy. They are seeing the absence of tradition, culture and ritual as well as good liturgical music. Traditional Tridentine masses are being held in homes while others are attending Orthodox services. Sometimes it is better to say nothing and just go where you feel God is calling you. Surprisingly enough, you may find more of the same there! Jesus said, "My remnant will be scattered among the people" meaning not one group or another - but scattered - His true followers - He will know who is who!

Answer 4

Just as a related side note, when Jesus Christ returns, the entire world will know that the Catholic Church was right all along, and that indeed, the Catholic Church IS the church founded by Christ. And all will give thanks and praise to God.

Edit: What are you talking about? The murder of 500 million christians? What? This "Jesuit Monk" does not speak officially for the Church. Nice try, though.

Answer 5

The mission of the Church is to proclaim and establish the Kingdom of God begun by Jesus Christ among all peoples.

This has been the public mission of the Church for almost 2,000 years. This should not be a surprise.

If everyone actually loved their neighbor as much as they loved themselves then that would really be a new world order.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 767-769: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9.htm#767

With love in Christ.

Answer 6

Honey, if you honestly believe that just because someone is a priest, he's both knowledgeable and 100% in compliance with the Majesterium, you obviously have a lot to learn about history. There have been bad monks and rebellious priests. . .does the name "Martin Luther" ring a bell?

Much of Teilhard de Chardin's work was questioned or condemned outright until he was posthumously "rehabillitated" by Pope John XXIII. Even now, there are those in the Church who regard his teachings as suspect.

And nobody is suggesting that we 'rewrite' Christ, as it were. Christ *is* the only One Who will satisfy the deepest longings of the human heart, no matter what church they belong to or what doctrine they espouse. Chardin is saying that only when the churches recognize that their common love is for their Lord and Savior, will there ever be a chance for unity.

Answer 7

Nice.
Catholicism has already begun doing this. The Trinity doctrine for example, is borrowed from eastern pagan religions.

Easter has so many pagan symbols I don't know where to begin. Ever wonder what a rabbit and eggs have to do with Jesus? Absolutely nothing! They're pagan fertility symbols! As is the Christmas tree...

All of these things were adopted in an attempt by the ruling powers (including church leaders) to unify the populous (Christian / pagan).

Answer 8

Hi,

In his time he was actually at odds with the catholic church. The concept of a new world order as TV eveangelists talk about today was not on his mind I would guess. Here's some more detail on his teachings:

Teilhard in his The Phenomenon of Man, set forth a sweeping account of the unfolding of the cosmos. He abandoned traditional interpretations of creation in the Book of Genesis in favor of a less strict interpretation. This displeased certain officials in the Roman Curia, who thought that it undermined the doctrine of original sin developed by Saint Augustine. Teilhard's position was opposed by his church superiors, and his work was denied publication during his lifetime by the Roman Holy Office. Pope John XXIII rehabilitated him posthumously, and, since then, his works have been considered an important influence on contemporary church's stance on evolution.

In his posthumously published book, The Phenomenon of Man, Teilhard writes of the unfolding of the material cosmos, from the creation to the development of the noosphere in the present, to his vision of the Omega Point in the future. He was a leading proponent of orthogenesis, the idea that evolution occurs in a directional, goal driven way. To Teilhard, evolution unfolded from cell to organism to planet to solar system and whole-universe (see Gaia theory). Such theories are generally termed teleological views of evolution. While these theories postulate a goal to the process of evolution, they should not be confused with the teleological implications of a theory like intelligent design. Standard orthogenesis does not hold that evolutionary processes cannot of themselves account for complexity.

Controversies about his line of thought centre on the question of whether or not the mission started by Christ was completed with his crucifixion, or whether mankind is meant to advance Christ's mission via the evolutionary process. Some theologians see an unbridgeable gulf between the traditional teaching that mankind was redeemed by a single act of divine intercession - mediated by the sacraments of the Catholic Church - and the notion that mankind might perfect itself by degrees, and over a long period of time. Holding with the latter, Teilhard proposed that the culmination of human history in the Omega point would represent actual Christogenesis. He said "A religion which is supposed to be inferior to our ideal as mankind, whatever the miracles surrounding it, is a Lost Religion.

There is no doubt that The Phenomenon of Man represents Teilhard's attempt at reconciling his religious faith with his academic interests as a paleontologist. One particularly poignant observation in Teilhard's book entails the notion that evolution is becoming an increasingly optional process Teilhard points to the societal problems of isolation and marginalization as huge inhibitors of evolution, especially since evolution requires a unification of consciousness. He states that "no evolutionary future awaits anyone except in association with everyone else."[This statement can effectively be seen as Teilhard's demand for unity insofar as the human condition necessitates it. He also states that "evolution is an ascent toward consciousness," and therefore, signifies a continuous upsurge toward the Omega Point, which for all intents and purposes, is God.

Our century is probably more religious than any other. How could it fail to be, with such problems to be solved? The only trouble is that it has not yet found a God it can adore."


Mike K

Answer 9

The man is delusional! There is never going to be a time when all humanity is going to join hands in one religion.
You cannot even get members of the same religion to agree on things. Muslims?
Christians? Catholics and Protestants?
Any religion these people are not in is either a cult or false religion. That is just of the Protestants religion.
Then you have shinto, Buddhist, and in Africa a whole barage of religions. You have the Indian shaman, in North America?
Wickens, spiritism, and christian science monitor.
These are never going to join any New World Order.
But I can tell you what is going to happen?
Governments and people are tiried of religious clerics telling them what to do and one day is going to turn on the preachers, religious leaders, priests and the pope.
They are going to kill the bunch of them.

Answer 10

Even though I personally don't believe in any religion, it seems to me that religion is the most divisive issue in the world today, so it's only logical to try to find some kind of common ground... if only to bring people together.

Answer 11

Catholics believe that Jesus came to save all. This is different from the idea of limited atonement (I am not a Calvinist, forgive me if I have this a bit wrong). This idea comes from several places, including the Gospel of John, where Jesus says many times that He wants us all to be one, under one shepherd.

Some find this idea a bit unsettling, because this means that they would all have to become Catholics.

I dare say the Catholic idea of ecumenism is different than the dictionary definition. Catholics do not feel ecumenism means "Lets agree on the most common denominator." Catholic ecumenism means "You are all welcome to join us."