Does the Trinity conflict with the Law of Identity?

Question

The Law of Identity states that A=A because A has all of the neccessary properties and qualities of A.

http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html

A dog can't have the properties of a computer and still be a dog.

The Trinity, seems to suggest, that while Jesus IS God, he doesn't have all the neccessary attributes of God (such as omniscience).

Does this make the Trinity, by definition, illogical?

Are you all arguing that God could make A = not A?

Vishal, I think so... I don't know how to respond to that.

Answer 1

I suppose Trinitarians are forced into the position that the Trinity is a uniquely instantiated violation of the Law of Identity.

EDIT:
Did Searcher really just say that he rejects the principle of self-identity? I wonder if he realizes that such a belief forces one into the untenable position of not being able to assign any property to any object.

EDIT 2: (for Searcher)
I guess if you don't reject it for natural objects you're fine. I disagree with you (it doesn't make sense to me how something, whether natural or "spirit" could be other than itself), but at least you're not forcing yourself into strange positions.

Answer 2

Logic? God? You're missing the key element here... you cannot understand God like a formula, or an object. God was invented by people, he is an abstract concept, and you cannot rationalize him like this.

EDIT: No, I'm arguing that God was created, therefore its okay for Christians to define God as having properties such that A = not A. How can you stop it? Logic? Ha!

Answer 3

It might be more clear to call what you are describing the Trinity as defined by the Nicene Creed. There are those who accept the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost while seeing the Nicene Creed as a mass of confusion. It reads exactly like what it is- a committee report generated by a group of people mandated to reach consensus but committed to not actually compromising.

Answer 4

First, the Holy Trinity places no limits upon the Son nor remove any attributes of the Father.

More important, we cannot subject God to physical laws. He existed just as He does today before there was any physical universe.

Still more important, human logic cannot begin to explore God. We (humans) just aren't that smart.

Answer 5

no, He indeed had omniscience... how did He know that nathaneal was sitting under a tree when phillip came to tell him about Jesus? or all of those people that he healed from the streets who were in their beds at home? just by a word of faith.

who is to say that the trinity does not only satisfy the law of identity, but displays it threefold?

Answer 6

a better efficient thanks to approach this problem is to concentration on the trademarks (note) of God. If the trademarks is uncreated, the in basic terms different threat is that the trademarks is eternal God. interior a similar way, if the Spirit is uncreated, then we are coping with eternal God back, no longer a created problem. So, we are able to somewhat concluded that the note and the Spirit are God because they proceed from Him and are uncreated. those "aspects" or "extensions" of God are not any more impersonal forces, although. The writings of the Scripture make it sparkling, both in previous testomony and New testomony, that the note and the Spirit are diverse persons. they arrive from God and are fairly God in personal kind and relate one with yet another. Scripture testifies that the note of God grew to change right into a man or woman (Jesus) and that the Spirit of God manifested interior this way of a dove to boot as in quite some different kinds, alongside with hearth or in a voice. curiously, both Jews and Muslims discover both the note of God and the Spirit of God suggested of their holy books. Jews and Muslims are sure to agree that the note and Spirit of God are uncreated. this is somewhat an unavoidable end. this is the reason you should commence from this element of mutual settlement and then paintings from there. the priority is, Jews and Muslims stumble even as they are compelled to consider that the Spirit and symbols are God in individual. This revelation of Christ's identity can in basic terms come by ability of God's Grace, no longer by ability of rigidity or argument. one problem that you forgot to point change into even as God visited Abraham in individual. The verses in Genesis 18 are so magnificent that this is frustrating to appreciate how everybody who claims to have self belief contained in the God of Abraham (Jews/Muslims) are unable to work out that Abraham bowed down before those 3 "adult men" without reservation... yet another sparkling celebration of two witnesses who're with God. :)

Answer 7

Interesting question.

I think the trinity, and many religious concepts are not based on logic but faith.

On the other hand, as a Catholic child I was taught that the trinity was one...like a 3 leaf clover. Different parts of one thing. By that logic, your hand is part of your body just like your foot is. Your foot is not your hand, but they are both part of the bigger thing, your body. Does that make sense?

Answer 8

But Jesus does have all the attributes of God. The problem people have is they cannot understand that while He was on Earth Jesus limited Himself. So they take things He said while on Earth and apply it to Him in Heaven. It doesn't work that way.

Answer 9

You must be right, because if there is a God then he must abide by Aristotle's "laws" of philosophy. I don't know how I missed that before.

Your question, by definition, is illogical. Because you are asserting that Aristotle is greater than God. I know you don't believe in God, but to follow your argument you are assuming both existed, but that Aristotle's "law" takes precedence over God. Do you see how that is extremely flawed? Just another weak, not well thought out attempt.

Vishal: No I do not reject this for natural objects.

Answer 10

God is not subject to Law.
Otherwise Law would be God.

"I (Jesus) tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?"

John 3:11-12