The CKC does not require dna testing?

Question

I agree they do not. But neither does the AKC. This is my point, as responsible dog owners wanting to maintain or strengthen a breed need to ensure dna testing, health certification and responsible breeding practices. I do not believe this is a responsibility of either the AKC or CKC. I'm simply making a point that for those wanting to buy a quality dog that are being told to simple buy a AKC animal to meet this requirement is being told a lie. We could go on forever with this point . I again simple ask anyone to call the AKC to see if having a AKC animal gurantees or ensures with good certainty the animals health or genetics. It simple records that the animal is purbred based on the submitted documentation. THis doesn't leave room for fraud? Yes, all of the registries have room for fraud. We are putting too much weight in the value of the AKC, My dogs are reigistered with the AKC, CKC and the APR simplly because their parents were. I was more concerned about health not the AKC papers

Answer 1

Since you admit that you don't have a question then why do you keep wasting every ones time posting "question"? The Continential Kennel Club is a well known puppy millers kennel club, they don't support canine health research or even encourage their "breeders" to perform health testing.

On the other hand the AKC spends a great deal of money on canine health research, prints health info on the animals behind the puppy on its registration papers and on its pedigrees.

If you are so concerned about the health background of any dog you are going to purchase then it is your job to take the time to become an educated buyer and find a breed who shares or view. Sad to say from my experience I find that most folks looking to buy a dog spend more time researching their sneakers than the breed of dog that they claim that to so desperately want!

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Answer 2

The AKC and the CKC only register dogs. They will investigate if someone contacts them and suggests that there is a problem with someone's paper work, or if there is a problem with the dogs bred a question of their identity etc. It's not up to them to police everyone every time they have a litter. Everything in this world is likely to be open to fraud. You have to trust the people you are buying your dog from. And hope that everyone is doing the right thing. I really honestly think that if people are lying about paperwork or which dog was bred, it's a very small percentage, and it's those who shouldn't be breeding anyhow. Avoid puppymills and bybers, and stick to reputible breeders when looking for a puppy. If you are worried about your dogs, or you think you bought a dog from someone with no ethics then contact the AKC and get them to investigate the person and their breeding records. Otherwise, have faith that you got your dog from someone reputable.

Answer 3

ANYONE who buys a dog SOLELY based on registry is ASKING for trouble.
Clearly, you have issues with registries. The AKC is BETTER than than the ConKC. No if's, and's, or but's about it!!!!! MORE breeders of AKC registered dog DO health clearances and belong to parent clubs that support testing!!

JUST THE FACTS!!

I LOVE where the person below sites the CKC "code of ethics"!! Yeah, all dogs POSITIVELY identified...PHOTO REGISTRATION!!! That is the most BOGUS thing ever!!!!! Sure you CAN do tattoo, microchip, or DNA...but just a PHOTO will do!! What a JOKE!!!!
And I am sorry...ANY "breeder" that won't regsiter the pet quality puppies with AKC because it is "easier for the new owners to regsiter them with the CKC"...that speaks VOLUMES about that breeder!!!! If you are registering the litter..since you have some show puppies and all....why can't the new owners be goven the AKC application to register the puppy on a limited registration??? Well, because either the litter IS NOT being registered, or the "breeder" does not want to pay AKC fees. CKC is cheaper...since it offers nothing!!!

There would be NO reason for a good and reputable breeder of AKC puppies to also register with the ConKC. NONE. If they do, there is something MORE going on!!!! Same with the APR and all the other "bogus" registries!!

And HATE to tell you CKC lovers...NO WHERE in the code of ethics does it say you are REQUIRED to do HEALTH CLEARANCES. It says you should make effort to breed heatlhy dogs, but it does not require it. And since I know a few people that breed CKC registered dogs, and they have never done OFA clearances on any of their dogs, and no one from CKC has ever told them anything, one can assume that CKC does not care!!!

Answer 4

To answer your questions lets brake it down a little. Health certifications are not up to AKC (they are outside issues and should be addressed by the individual National Breed Clubs)

DNA testing IS done by AKC if a dog sires more than 3 litters in a year or 7 litters in it's life time, or when deemed necessary by AKC. AKC also requires records be kept by breeders, And does conduct random checks.
People exposed of fraud or improper records keeping are striped of their AKC privileges as a direct result of those random checks. If you check the AKC BOD monthly minutes you will see that there is a list of people that loose their AKC privileges literally every month. They are the people that then start up bogus registries like the Continental Kennel Club.

Answer 5

All the CKC does is register. Nothing more. No shows to prove a particular dog is meeting a proper breed standard. No dog events. They will register anything that "looks" like the breed stated. They don't do dog sports or competitions of any kind. So why bother with registration with the CKC? You're just tossing them money to "say" you have a registered dog with some registry, but CKC does nothing more than that.

At least with the AKC, there is a large variety of events I can participate in with my AKC registered dog. Agility, obedience, herding, tracking, etc... You don't get any of this from the CKC. They literally give you nothing but a piece of paper that isn't worth money people spend on it.

I will never buy dogs from anyone who registers CKC at all and I don't care if the dogs are dual registered with the AKC. Reputable breeders don't support puppy mill registration sites. It's a site for puppy milllers and fraudulent backyard breeders who likely broke their spay/neuter agreement and can't register with the AKC. CKC does nothing, at least with AKC I can "do" things with my dogs and earn titles in various venues.

Answer 6

maximum AKC registered dogs come from mum and dad who're registered at beginning and function AKC registered dogs on the two sides ... as is the mummy of your pup. The AKC/CKC registered DNA qualified ability the dogs is a 'purebred' yet one or the two between the father's mum and dad replace into 'unknown' so as they had to have his DNA examined to be sure he's a purebred and not a 'mixed breed' that purely 'seems' purebred. That keeps the breed as 'organic' as is humanly achieveable. there is an 'extra plus' on your pup's breeding. while the do the 'DNA verify,' they additionally seem to work out if there are any genetic 'faults' to the dogs's mum and dad or the dogs itself, so so you might 'know' that your dogs would not have any genetic illnesses or 'hip displaysia' meaning that your dogs has 'much less tendency' to that disease (and others) using 'inbreeding.'

Answer 7

ConKC is a JOKE. Period. I know someone who registered a beagle (full blooded) as an APBT and listed the parents as two of the most famous APBTs of the late '60s early '70s.

They issued papers on the dog.

ANY registry that will give you papers on something that has no known pedigree is a JOKE.

The ADBA has a DNA program. If someone tries to register pups off of a sire or dam under or over a certain age, the pups MUST be DNA'd to prove parentage. A lot of breeders have jumped on the DNA bandwagon as it proves parentage/pedigree without a doubt. They also have rules in place for AIing dogs.

Answer 8

Actually AKC DOES for frequently used sires (over 7 litters). When that rule went in effect the registry for other registry associations zoomed up- hummm.......

Answer 9

Totally agree with all of what you said. I'm in the process of getting CKC papers on my AKC dogs. They both do dna testing, IF someone buys a puppy, and questions the validity of the papers/parents, but not as a standard procedure. I won't even bother with AKC puppy papers on any of the puppies that go to pet homes, since it is much easier for new owners to get their papers through CKC. I'll use AKC for any puppies going to show homes, as they can't show without the AKC papers. It's all up to the honesty of the person doing the registering in any of the registries, and sometimes people DO get caught, but not all.

Had to add for misinformed AKC people..this is the required breeder code of ethics for CKC's preferred breeders. And add too, that AKC also only encourages genetic testing,,,they do not require it.

Breeder Code of Ethics

The Continental Kennel Club Breeder Code of Ethics presents to CKC Breeders, guidelines for ethical practices of breeding, possession and sales of canines.

1. Provide clean, adequate, safe housing and run areas specific to the nature and exercise requirements for the breed.

2. Research the breed before breeding. Know the standard and only breed dogs that show proper breed type and temperament. Consider the strengths and weaknesses of each potential pairing. Always breed to better the breed.

3. Perform all customary health tests for your breed prior to breeding, and disclose all results to possible puppy buyers. If health tests were not performed, disclose that fact to any possible puppy buyers.

4. Ensure that all breeding dogs are positively identifiable. Microchips, DNA, photo registration, and tattoos are all acceptable forms of identification.

5. Breed dogs that are in good health, temperamentally sound, and free from genetic faults.

6. Obtain a signed stud dog contract prior to breeding. The stud contract should, at minimum, designate the number of ties that will be allowed, the amount of time between ties, the stud fee or pick of the litter, address how a single puppy litter will be handled, and address what each party will do if no puppies are yielded.

7. Only breed dogs that are physically and mentally mature enough to breed, and do not continue to breed any male or female that is unfit for breeding.

8. Make every effort possible to ensure that puppies are in good health and free from genetic defects at the time of sale.

9. Review each prospective buyer carefully and make every effort to ensure that each puppy is placed in a home that is in the best interest of the new owner and the puppy.

10. Help to educate puppy buyers about the breed and what is required in terms of exercise, nutrition, training, and socialization.

11. Make both parent dogs available for viewing to potential puppy buyers along with proper registration papers of the parents.

12. Provide each new puppy owner with the proper paperwork to register their new puppy at the time the puppy leaves the breeder’s premises. This should include at a minimum: registration form for the puppy, health and shot information, and a signed contract.

13. Include in each signed puppy contract a minimum of: a return policy and time limit, explanation of health guarantee and time limit, and spay/neuter requirements, if any.

14. Any advertising, whether oral or written, shall be factual, not misleading, and not designed to attract undesirable buyers or to encourage the raising of dogs for any undesirable reason.