Question for followers of Judaism....?

Question

Do your Rabbi's ever teach about the prophecies in the Tanakh that Jesus of Nazareth did fulfill?

Have you or would you ever consider that some of the Messianic prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus Christ during His first coming and the remainder will be fulfilled at His second coming?

Answer 1

The second coming was something made up by christianity. The apostles fully expected the person the christians worship to come back in their lifetime. You would think they would know as they were there. It didn't happen. So the christians had to invent a second coming at the end times.

Now, let me reverse the question. Do christian pastors ever point out the obvious ludicrousness of prophesies that are in their book? Let me point out just one. "Rachel weeping for her children" when the children were killed in Bethlehem. It would't have been Rachel, it would have been Leah as Bethlehem was in Judah and Judah was a son of Leah, not Rachel. But they saw fit to snatch a verse that had weeping in it.

Do christian pastors ever point out the very obvious mistranslation of a word into "Lucifer" which has no bearing on the original word? Do they ever point out that this is clearly a parable for Nebudchannezer as clearly stated in Is 9.

Do they ever point out that if the person the christians worship was the virgin birth in IS 7, then that person was born a sinner as is clearly stated? How do they explain the clear text about the two kings that were supposed to fall during this child's life, and those two kings were named as the ones attacking Jerusalem?

Do the pastors every point out that if Caiphus and Annius were high priests, that they would have been in the Temple on Pesach? Not out someplace else?

Do the pastors ever point out that the sacrifice for pesach was not a sin sacrifice according to the Torah?

Would you ever consider that given the obvious discrepencies in the prophesies the christians point out that the rest of their book is false, too?

Oh, I'm sure that your pastors would NEVER point out that tithes went to the temple.

Believe it or not, Jews are not obsessed with christianity in the same way christians are obsessed with Judaism. The only whay christans can be proven right is if they reject the Torah given by G-d at Mount Sinai to the Children of Israel. The only way they think they are right is if they snatch verses out of context and repeat them over and over again to people who don't read until they are believed.

Those who actually read the Tanach see the shallowness of christians.

What do you call a christian who has read the Torah slowly, verse by verse? Ans: A convert to Judaism.

Shalom,
Gershon

Answer 2

I'm an atheist, but I can answer you.

First, you have some vague prophecies written in the Old Testament.

A long time afterwards, you have a fellow born who gets a meager following. Later he dies because he made the wrong people angry.

Decades after this guy's death, that meager following has a meager following, but a slightly larger one.

This is where the New Testament enters the picture. Some people, who are very familiar with the "old prophecies" and who like the stories of this guy who died a long time ago, write their own stories. These stories are written to convince people that this guy who died fulfilled the older prophecies. The earliest writer of these stories is Paul, who didn't really give much about the history of Jesus or much of his teachings.

Much much later, the Gospel of Mark is written. It includes even more made up stuff about that dead guy's early childhood, more of his supposed teachings and so on. Other writers, like Matthew, Luke, and John, among others, also take Mark's writings and other stuff they've read, and make up more Gospels.

Much much much later, a group of Bishops figure four is a good number, and trim off the number of Gospels to just the ones from Mark, Matthew, John, and Luke. The rest become apocrypha. Along the way, much of those older texts is edited and re-edited. For example, there have been three endings found for the Gospel of Mark, which was the earliest of the Gospel writers.

That is how Messianic "prophecies" got fulfilled. They weren't actually fulfilled, they were just written that way.

Answer 3

I'm an atheist but was brought up Jewish and went to a Jewish school from 11-18 plus three months at Yeshiva:

With recognising the messiah, Jesus doesn't fulfill all of the prophecies, for a start the Messiah will be born of two human parents, secondly he will be of the line of David through Solomon, neither Joseph or Mary fulfilled this, Joseph was from the Line of David through his son Nathan and Mary was not even from the line of David.

Also the Messiah will bring peace on earth, raise the dead and death will cease (over 200 years on and we still die). Also everyone will become and ethical monotheist and everyone will become vegetarian.

I'm not sure where the Second coming story comes from, but Judaism states that the Messiah will only leave when he has completed all his tasks.

Answer 4

J*sus does not play a role in Judaism, which means that rabbis do not discuss him.
He did not fulfill any of the prophecies in the Jewish Bible which are related to the Messiah.
The REAL messiah will fulfill them all, but not necessarily in this order:
The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
Jews will know the Torah without study (Jeremiah 31:33)
He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

Answer 5

No we do not consider this because we have details in the Tanakh ('old' testament) of how to recognise the real messiah. He will fulfill specific conditions, such as peace on earth, and many others - Jesus achieved none of these.

It also states in the Tanakh that the real messiah will not perform anything akin to witchcraft and that he will be totally human. Again, clearly this is not Jesus.

There is no concept of 'second coming' in Jewish theology. The real messiah will achieve the conditions mentioned in his own lifetime before he dies. Again, clearly NOT Jesus.

As you can see even from these few points, Jesus fulfilled NONE of what is discussed in the Tanakh.

Jesus lived and died a practising Jew. It was those that came after him, like Paul, who changed his status to that of a divinity etc. Paul never even met Jesus.

Jesus is never mentioned in the Tanakh; Christians claim he is but they are ALWAYS basing this on incorrectly translated hebrew. Yet when we point this out to them they just dismiss it. Bizarre.

Answer 6

honestly, no Jews i've got ever met think of Jesus became into the "lord". yet particular, Jews do love their god. and no one loves honestly every person in the worldwide, yet i think of that a fabulous variety of folk do attempt to be variety to others. I do, besides. i'm confident that there'll be different replies telling you which you're a ignorant fool or something, yet, I honestly do no longer think of that. you only do no longer fullyyt understand Judaism, is all. additionally they have not got faith that Jesus pronounced something like that. so a ways as i recognize, they think that Jesus became into only some unfortuneate guy who have been given brutally murdered by using people who needed some severe help. Jewish ideals on god are honestly fairly diverse form Christian ideals. as an occasion, they think that god is something so impressive that that's previous something humankind can think of. Please observe that i'm a former Jew, yet grew to develop into pagan 4 years in the past by means of actuality that too many stuff in Judaism did no longer make experience to me and that i disagreed with many Jewish ideals. i'm now Pagan (a Witch, in case you will).

Answer 7

Followers of Judaism are called Jews. That's J-E-W-S.

The belief that God would become human is the ultimate heresy!

From "Judaism for Everyone" by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach:

: Central to the Jewish response to suffering is a staunch rejection of the belief in its redemptive power. According to Judaism there are no ennobling qualities in pain…. The belief in the redemptive quality of suffering is a profoundly Christian concept. In Christianity, the suffering servant, the crucified Christ, brings atonement for the sins of mankind through his own sacrifice and torment. The message: Without suffering there can be no redemption. According to Christianity, if Jesus had not suffered and died on the cross, mankind would still be damned. Suffering is therefore extolled in the New Testament: “And not only that, but we also boast in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces hope” (Rom. 5:3-4). “If we are being afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation; if we are being consoled, it is for your consolation, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we are also suffering” (2 Cor. 1:6). Indeed, Paul even made suffering an obligation, encouraging the fledging Christians to “share in suffering like a good soldier of Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:3).
In Judaism, however, suffering is anything but redemptive. It leads to a tortured spirit and a pessimistic outlook on life. It scars our psyches and brings about a cynical consciousness, devoid of hope. Suffering causes us to dig out the insincerity of the hearts of our fellows and to be envious of other people’s happiness. If individuals do become better people as a result of their suffering, it is despite the fact that they suffered, not because of it. Ennoblement of character comes through triumph over suffering, rather than its endurance.
Man’s mission was never to make peace with suffering and death, but to abolish them from the face of the earth for all eternity by joining God as a junior partner in creation. By studying medicine and offering aid to people in need, we live up to our highest calling of having been created in the divine image. The atheist doctor who struggles to cure AIDS is infinitely more in tune with the Jewish response to suffering than the minister of religion who tells his flock that suffering is part of the divine plan. The sinning businessman who may have never stepped into a synagogue but makes a loan to a colleague to save him from bankruptcy is more in tune with the Jewish response to suffering than the Rabbi who seeks to give a rationalization for why children die of leukemia…. Our role as humans is not to give meaning to aberrations, but combating them and to healing wounds.
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Answer 8

My husband is Jewish and has embraced this teaching!!