the AKC is an open registry too?

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That is right, the AKC does requires the parents be recorded with them to pass on the AKC papers. Trust me this permits alot of fraud. Most breeders are not checked, there are not usually dna tested, there is no picture required, no health certification required (just record keeping that certifies the parents were registered (nothing else) If someone wanted to commit fraud it would be easy with the AKC, actually easier because the average person is not willing to sign on confirming picturers are authentic etc unless their part of the fraud. fraud is easily done with the AKC by connecting a parents AKC registration with a new puppie. Lets be honest the AKC is only a ancestry record by name only (for most registered AKC dogs not being showed (which is most of the AKC dogs) To tell an individual that simple because a dog is not AKC registered the dogs isn't healthy, free of genetic problems, purebred and show quality would be a lie. lets push healthy animals not the health of the AKC

Answer 1

Yanno...
your singing the same song you did in the last post. Didn't like the responces there?

Your starting to sound like a breeder who has had akc registration privlidges revoked.........

or are you buying akc pups on limited and then taking them to a paper registry to be able to breed them and have 'papers'? If you are be aware that most good breeders have contracts saying the dog will not be bred peroid not that they wont be bred and akc registered and you could be opening yourself to a lawsuit by breaking the non breeding clause.

At one time most breeders marked as limited, handed the papers out with the pup but more and more hold them until the dog is proven to be fixed by a vet and want a non breeding contract to avoid being taken to another registry.

As far as akc no they are not perfect.
The others are even less perfect.
Do the research on the breed and breeder to make sure they ARE health testing. WHO you buy from is your choice and in the end you should rely on your own investigation to verify health and testing and longevity and breeder ethics and breeder/kennel care because YOU have to live with this pup not the akc or anyone else. RELY on your own research dont expect everything to be done for you or pay someone to do it for you. Hire a PI to locate your next pup if you wont put the effort into it, they investigate for a living.

Answer 2

Personally, i would only ever do not forget a registry to be important if it furnished me any assurance of excellent. KC Breed registry offers little greater than an assurance that the canine is of the breed it says it is, and that it has been bred inside a closed stud booklet (btw - i don't recollect a closed stud ebook to be an altogether confident thing). No guarantees of well being, capacity to do the job it used to be at the start bred for, or even capacity to do a further job. I anticipate that the AKC is the equal. Or course, i'm going to get countless TDs for announcing this, probably just a few persons pointing out best examples of puppies who have had success in the show ring as well as the field. Factor is - that's not the point. The point is that there may be nothing about KC reg to demand that usual. Puppy mills can, and do use the registry. Hello presto, a kite-mark of nice for an unbelievably poorly bred canine. ISDS is a reliable registry, due to the fact there are demands placed upon the capability of the canine. I could perhaps argue a case for the greyhound stud ebook, considering it does make SOME needs upon the wellness of the dog. However, as a breed they may be naturally healthy - no longer many bad examples of racing greyhounds exist. I am now not aware of every other registry that I could argue even a flimsy case for.

Answer 3

SO why do you have a bug up the a*# about the AKC? NO system is fraud proof. Pictures can be of a dog other than what the papers are for. DNA samples can be taken from also from another dog. Same with health certifictions - go to a large clinic and its only your word the male who' was just checked is your big name stud. Saying AKC is an open registry because people have cheated dogs in is the same as saying there is no speed limit on the turnpike because people violate it!
THat being said a REPUTABLE breeder is gonna be regestering with one of the registries that allows particpation in some form of dog sport - the largest of which is AKC dosen't mean a BYB or puppymil can't produce healthy dogs but the odds are lower.....

Answer 4

AKC is not an open registry. In order for a litter to be registered, both sire and dam must be AKC registered. I know fraud can be happened. It's breeders responsibility to hold themselves accountable. AKC can penalize or suspend the breeder for any violation. Also, stud dogs who has sired more than seven litters must submit DNA information to AKC. Most pet dogs, it doesn't really matter whether the dogs are AKC registered or not. For conformations, that's the first basic requirement in order for the dog to be able to show. AKC is a registry for purebred dogs. It does not guarantee that the dog is healthy. It's the breeder's responsiblity to do so. That's why it's very important to purchase a dog from reputable and responsible breeders.
BTW, what wrong with you about AKC or CKC registries?

Answer 5

Again for some reason rather than asking a question, you are lecturing form your rather uninformed soapbox.

The AKC is not an open registry. You can not register a dog without proof of parentage. Rather than continuing to make uninformed rants about registries and health issues why don't you take the time to actually do some research and find out the facts. Perhaps if you had a better understanding about the mode of inheritance of some of the major health issue in dogs then you would understand the flaws in your logic. Or better yet why not try to help solve the problems by contributing to the researchers working on DNA tests, etc. BTW one of the largest contributors in the world towards canine health research is the AKC.

Answer 6

No, AKC is a CLOSED registry. That means that a UNregistered dog cannot become registered with the AKC. The parents have to have ben registered. Yes, fraud can still be a problem, but like I said....if someone is dead set on defrauding someone, they will find a way.
ANd as I said, finding some pals to sign a paper saying they think your dog is purebred is NOT hard. You could pay some drunk on the street to do it. There is NO ONE at the CKC checking. PLEASE site ANY person that was charged with defrauding the CKC!!! THEY DO NOT CHECK! IT would be better if you needed a VET or some other professional to sign, but you don't. Just your friend, relative, co-worker.

And WAY WAY WAY more breeders of AKC dogs do health clearances than breeders of CKC dogs. Wonder why it is that most of the pet stores are now using CKC to register puppies???
Have you taken a tour of the OFA website lately and hunted for a health cleared dog that was CKC registered???? I have. Didn't find ONE! What does that say??

Answer 7

The AKC is *not* an "open registry"...that is, you can't take Dog A of unknown origin (but who looks like a Viszla, for example), and get him registered through the AKC. In order to register a dog with the AKC, the AKC must have some record of his parents and their ancestry.

YOU: "To tell an individual that simple because a dog is not AKC registered the dogs isn't healthy, free of genetic problems, purebred and show quality would be a lie."

True, just like telling someone that just because A dog is AKC registered, it is automatically a healthy, quality specimen of the breed is a lie. But if you honestly think that the ConKC is just as good or better an alternative, you're fooling yourself. Accepting a dog of unknown origin as purebred because you snapped a picture of it and had two people of unknown authority sign something saying they agree with you...well, that's just BS.

The ConKC, and all bogus registries like it, are for-profit scams who tout themselves as being "easy" and "convenient" for the breeder...i.e. registering anything with 4 legs as purebred, as long as you pay them.

Answer 8

What you say is very true at least with the Canadian kennel club all puppies must be micro chipped or tattooed before leaving the seller ,
AKC dose require DNA on out of country stud dogs .. so when i ship frozen semen to the USA I must send a copy of my studs DNA profile . DNA is very cheep only 30 dollars to get a DNA certificate . I think AKC and CKC should require a DNA on all registered dogs ..

Answer 9

well..first off..its is your mistake if you believe just because someone has 'papers' on a dog from the AKC doesnt mean that person is a legitimate breeder. Believe me, my brother has two dogs with 'papers' and if was to breed them, i'd call him a backyard breeder to. The only way to solve health issues and ethical issues is to educate the public about purchasing pure bred dogs and cats. To find a breeder recognized by the AKC as reputable.

Answer 10

Again I ask Brian, is there a question here? None that I can see.
Many breeders in AKC routinely check for genetic problems, hip displaysia, congential eye defects, elbow displasia, and many others.
Breeders should breed to better their particular breed, not just to make puppies. Are there bad people involved in the AKC, using it for their own improvement? Yes, because there are bad people every where.
You obviously have some issues that you are trying to resolve. Good luck.