Religion 101... How bout them apples....?

Question

So yes, my previous question with the Jehovah's Witness Bible being the most accurate Bible out to date..

Someone said "yeah that leaves Jesus out as God."

Jesus Christ cannot be God my friend, because God is an invisible spirit, who created Jesus? Himself? He spawned himself onto the Earth then created things? WWWWAIT!!? Impossible, life was created before Jesus..

Please please people, leave the stupidity at the door....

I would like for someone to read the most Major Bibles out there today then read the original Greek/Latin/Hebrew scriptures then come back to me....

Alex, you have a very solid Answer.

Answer 1

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http://www.watchtower.org/e/na/article_05.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bible/index.htm


Jehovah has no beginning. Jesus has a beginning. The Bible calls him "the first born of all creation". This is a logical argument that God cannot be Jesus. They are 2 different persons.

"... from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God" -- Psalm 90:2 (Also Psalm 93:2)

"He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." -- Colossians 1:15


http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_05.htm

Answer 2

They ignore that Moses is also called God in the Bible yet he was only a man. Exodus 4:16, 7:1. So is satan called ho theon at 2 Cor. 4:4, but he is not God Almighty either.

All the angelic Sons of God, called Morning Stars as well as angels and sons of God existed before the material universe. So not only Jesus, but all the angels including Satan were there and hearing, clapping, etc. Job 38:7, Rev. 22:16.

See Athanasian Creed and study up on Egyptian religion and Athanasius to find out where trinity really came from....You can google them on the net.

Debbie

Answer 3

I read the Hebrew Scriptures from the King James Version of the Old Testament Bible.

Under the leadership of Nathan H. Knorr, in 1942, the Jehovah's Witnesses increased. The New World Translation of the Bible is claimed to have been done by 5 Greek Scholars in the Watchtower. It is quite obvious to anyone who knows Greek or Hebrew that there are gross errors in this translation. It is obviously an attempt to make the Bible fit preconceived Witness theology. False Religion and False Bible.

Life was not created before Jesus. The Bible says, that Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. God said, "let us make man in our image." Jesus and the Holy Spirit were with God and in God in the beginning of creation.
God is Spirit and consuming fire. So in what image did God make man. God made man in the image of Jesus because God uses Jesus so He can communicate to man. Jesus walked and talked to Abraham and Enoch.

God is more than One and we cannot limit God. God is everywhere. Jesus was also called a Branch by God. A Branch belongs on a Tree so the Tree was God. Jesus said, "I and the Father are One." Plain English and can't be any easier to understand than this. Matter of fact Jesus was killed because He was claiming to be God and they called Him a blasphemer. Ciaphas knew what Jesus said.

Answer 4

Ok, to correct you (hopefully you don't take this offensively or in the wrong way) Life was not created before Jesus.
Genesis 1:26-Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness..."
He was talking about Jesus. Everything he said was PLURAL, meaning more than one. Obviously he was talking to someone else.
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
The Word in this passage refers to Jesus Christ. He is a part of God, and he is God. He was from the beginning.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

Thanks.

Here are some info about why JWs believe that Jesus is a creation.

JWs believe that Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God, our King and Lord and Savior, the Christ, the Word, and was born of virgin birth thru Mary. Jesus is the Son of God who became flesh. Jesus as the Word has been with God in the beginning. John 1:1 didn’t say that the Word, is “BEFORE the Beginning” but used the word “IN”, thus bound by that time, which is the “in the beginning”.

Here are the Bible texts that proves that Jesus was created.

1.
John 5:26 states “For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to HAVE LIFE in himself”.
John 6:57 – “… and I LIVE because of the Father”.
Life (eternal life and life to exist) was given by the Father to Jesus, the Son.
2. For Trinitarians, the Son and Father relationship has no beginning. But Heb 1:5, that the Son and Father relationship has a beginning. Notice it uses the words “today” and “I have become”
In Heb 1:5 it states "You are my son; I, TODAY, I have become your father"?.

3. Here’s another Bible text that proves that the Father created Jesus. Notice it uses the words “This day” and begotten/made to prove that the Son has a beginning.
Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten(Gennao) thee. Acts 13:33

The word begotten in Greek is gennao. It means “to be born” –Strong’s dictionary defines this as procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be BORN, BRING FORTH, conceive, be delivered of, gender, MAKE, spring.

At Acts 13:33, it states the Father “has MADE/BRING FORTH” the Son. This verse talks about the relationship of God to his Son whom he MADE/BROUGHT FORTH (Gennoa).

4. We have to note that Jesus calls his Father, My God. www.dictionary.com defines God also as “one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe”
, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’” - John 20:17
So basically, Jesus said “My God” means “My Supreme Being and CREATOR”



5. Rev 3:14, Jesus is called the “beginning of the CREATION of/by God”.

Jesus being the first or beginning is also qualified (Rev 3:14) . The God the Father is the Beginning and the End, but he is never called, “, the beginning of the creation BY/OF God” only Jesus is called that term. This term can be properly understood as “of the CREATION BY God, Jesus is the beginning”. This basically means Jesus is still part of the CREATION, notice the term OF THE CREATION BY GOD, eventhough he is the beginning, ruler, etc.

When someone says “Of the horses of the Smiths, this one is really fast”. The “one”, is still a horse, a member of that group, owned by the Smiths, and not a Smith. So when the Bible described Jesus as “of the creation by God” , it only means that Jesus is still a member “of the creation by God”.


6.PROVERBS 8:22: - 22 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago . The Hebrew word for produced/possessed (qanah – Strongs’ dictionary defines it as “erect, that is, create”.
Is the wisdom talked about in Prov 8 the LITERAL wisdom of God. No, because God has always wisdom. God’s wisdom has no beginning. If this is not the literal wisdom then it is the FIGURATIVE Wisdom. 1 Cor 1:24 states that “, Christ the power of God and the WISDOM of God.” So the Bible tells us that Jesus is the Wisdom of God, therefore we can relate that to Prov 8.
Prov 8:22 & 24 used the words produced/created (qanah) & brought forth/formed (chul See Deut 32:18) . These words describe that the figurative Wisdom of God (Christ) was CREATED/FORMED.
Well, one might say, the word “Wisdom” used in Prov 8 is in feminine form, therefore it can’t be Jesus. As I’ve said, the word “wisdom” in Prov 8 is figurative not the literal “wisdom” of God. 1 Pet 2:8 called Jesus the rock-mass (Greek petra which is also in feminine form), that doesn’t mean that Jesus is a woman.

7. Micah 5:2 describes Jesus as having an ORIGIN “ whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite”. The Hebrew word for the word “origin” is motsaah and according to Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary it is “family descent” A descent means “derivation from an ancestor; lineage; extraction”. God has no beginning, nor came/extracted /derived from anything.






8. Acts 2:36 states that God has MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ. The Lordship of Jesus has a beginning because it was MADE by God.

Answer 7

When Jehovah's Witness's come to my front door I hide and tell my kids to be quit so they go away... EDIT... Cult that's what they are... JW's are CULT people... and you all can STONE me all day long.. Are you people even allowed on the computer?

As far as their bible goes, I'm not so sure about that... Everyone sins...Nobody is perfect and the sooner that every religion realizes that the better off the world will be!

Answer 8

I know I'm going to get stoned to death by this guy but... Jehovah's Witness = Cult...

Also, check this out:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.[b]

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

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It's a CULT!!!

Answer 9

It's all allegory. Best version for allegoric study is KJV.
You'll never solve mysteries of God with per-versions.

May your law law become grace us.
May it be before your @ss is grass.

As for "them"...."come out from among them".
When they say...destruction comes on "them".

The Lord is longsuffering to us-ward --> is fwd.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

Answer 10

Yeah coz Jesus created himself, spoke to himself, prayed to himself, ressurected himself etc etc etc lol

cheers jenny :)