Have any of you read The Apocryphon of John? It clearly says the god of creation in Genesis is satan, not God

Question

This one text clearly demonstrates that the early followers of Jesus had a much different faith than what is practiced by people today.

Answer 1

if that's true, then it's time for me to follow the god of genesis!!

Answer 2

Perhaps this statement in the Apocryphon of John is not as clear as you make it out to be. Upon reading your question I immediately read it. It says that the archon Yaltabaoth became arrogant and exaulted himself above the others and called himself God and created this and that. Later it gives the hierarchy of angels and saud for further description see the writings of Zoroastrianism. Then it talks about Sophia and other gods and goddesses. Then Yaltabaoth seduces Eve and begets Yahweh and Elohim, who become the one LORD of goodness.

These sorts of gnostic texts are interesting, mostly for the ways in which Christian and Jewish themes are assimilated into other mythologies. Properly I'm not sure that it matters. One does wonder how they decide at what time Yahweh and Elohim are acting, since they are the Creators in Genesis 1....

Incidentally, John was the apostle who supposedly founded the gnoctic and coptic traditions and died in Egypt. You would expect them to attribute things to John. However, if John is indeed one of the original twelve then the Gospel of John, which predates the Aporcryphon of John by almost a century, seems to have a greater claim to accuracy to John's beliefs given that his name in that Gospel is changed out for the phrase "the one that He loved."

Also, that God in the Old Testament is actually Satan is the belief of the Cathars, a heretical sect that was almost persecuted to extinction after they started amassing relics. If I recall the hagiography correctly, Saint Louis oversaw the the eliminationo f the Cathars - although the Cathartic Church still exists today.

Answer 3

this is sturdy to work out someone genuinely use their concepts. God does no longer say how or maybe as he created the heavens and the earth. note what you suggested about the earth being coated with water. Then the verses let us know that God separated the waters from the waters and so there change into an area between the waters above the earth and the waters on earth. This area change into observed as heaven. The heavens the position the birds fly. no longer the religious heavens. yet undergo in concepts he had already created the heavens as suggested in Gen. a million. so as featuring the solar, moon, stars, and different planets. The water cover suggested before kept the solar and moon from shining on earth. each and each imaginative day change into thousands of years lengthy and were defined by ability of Moses as if he were in outer area looking down on earth. those imaginative days were time sessions. no longer literal 24 hour days. some days overlapped different days. all of us comprehend that they were thousands of years lengthy because the Bible not in any respect tells us that the seventh day ended like the others. In Paul's day he suggested the seventh day change into nonetheless in existence because this is in our day. So the seventh day or time period remains occurring now and it has lasted over six thousand years. quickly it is going to come to an end after Armageddon has cleansed the earth of all evil. Then the earth will be restored to the paradise God created contained in the first position. on the end of this seventh also known because the judgment day, mankind whose has been resurrected from lack of life and all those who live to tell the tale Armageddon will be examined once and for all. This time those who do no longer obey Jehovah will die a 2d lack of life perpetually. those remaining we commence a sparkling day in a restored paradise. one which will very last perpetually and ever without better disease discomfort or lack of life. Rev 21:4. So this can be the start of the eighth day. I imagine we are able to bypass lower back to no longer counting the days because we are able to all stay perpetually and no want for time.

Answer 4

Satan didn’t create he and his elect …begot…

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

God sent the flood after their evil generation.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


God was angry they defiled their spiritual bodies.

EDIT:

The Gnostic writings are not true Biblical writings…we were warned…not to follow a different writing:


Galatians 1:8

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Galatians 1:9

As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Answer 5

I don't know what you are reading Sara, but it is not the Word of God. Get you a King James Study Bible and read the Book of John, Book of Revelation and Book of Daniel. The KJV Bible is off the first translations and the Bible is not copyrighted. Not bound. All other Bibles are copyrighted. This Bible I trust.

Answer 6

The reference you make is a misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the process.

Prior to entering the three lower planes of Creation [the Causal, Astral, and physical planes] each Soul existed in the Pure Spiritual regions. To enter the three lower planes, a Soul needed to take-on a MIND that would allow the Soul to experience the vibrational energies of the three lower realms of Creation. The ruler of the three lower planes of Creation is known as Kal, in Eastern mysticism. Kal is also referred to as the "negative power" primarily because the rule of Kal is one of duality [the Yin and Yang nature of the MIND].

The Spiritual realm is an Absolute realm in that it is permanent, cannot be other than it is, and I believe it consists of Neutral Spiritual Energy. In order to experience other than Spiritual Energy, the Soul was given two things: One is what I refer to as an Apapsyche [the Operational Energy of the Soul]; And the Soul was also given a subtle covering of MIND. By using its Apapsyche, and MIND, the Soul could explore and experience all three realms of Creation.

The lord of Creation can be thought of as Kal [because Kal works for God] and administers Creation via the Absolute rule of the Law of Karma. That the Creation does introduce negativity and that Kal is the administrator of Creation, one could refer to Kal as Satan. But to do so would be to introduce a misleading notion that Kal is operating in opposition to God.

The fact that the heavens of religions exist in the Astral region causes many religions to misinterpret the heavens as being where God exists, and the ruler of the three lower planes as "god". God resides much further up the reality chain, in regions where there is nothing but Pure Spiritual Energy.

But for people who are in denial of the Astral and Causal planes of existence, it is pointless to suggest that an even more subtle and elusive Reality exists.

Peace

Answer 7

I don't believe anything whichever is out of Bible. How can you also believe that Satan created this beautiful earth and universe. It is the art of God Almighty.

Answer 8

You need to study again because John the revelator never said that God was satan, that is your saying & not John.

Answer 9

Yep, the demiurge. (I forget his name -- starts with an I) Though I don't know that he equates to Satan. Some gnostic christians (Valentinius, I think?) actually promoted doing a personal ceremony where you disavow Yahweh.

Answer 10

Sara,
Believe what you will but I believe GOD over satan and you are following the WRONG ONE! Have a nice week.
Thanks,
Eds


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Answer 11

Yeah...and in "The Wizard of Oz" there's a talking scarecrow and flying monkeys. Your point about such fiction is what, exactly?