Does anyone have Guardian Angel's Vigilantes where they live? Do you like them? Cops opinions' especially...

Question

...because we have them where I live and they think they can do whatever they want. They harass the people on our street and think they can arrest anyone they want.
For example: My cousin Beto was walking to my house with two of his friends yesterday and two Guardian Angels stopped them and asked what they were doing and if they lived in the neighborhood. My cousin told them it was none of their business and kept walking. I guess the man got mad cuz he grabbed Betos shirt and yanked him to the ground. His friends tried to stop them from fighting but the other Guardian Angel started fighting with them too. They ended up handcuffing my cousin and his friend. Paul, the other boy there, ran to my house and called the REAL cops. They came out and got all this information from my cousin and the GA's. What makes me mad is that the GA's were not punished. It WAS none of their business what my cousin was doing. Do you think its right for people who aren't Cops to go around arresting people?

It was NONE of their business. My cousin didnt have to answer to two wannabe policeman with matching shirts. How was he to know that they werent dangerous or something. Thats how it is where I live... Dangerous. So you stay out of peoples face and hope they will stay out of yours. Beto is only 14 years old... and he wasnt bothering anyone... If it was a REAL cop he would have answered the question.

Answer 1

If the GAs were not arrested, it is because the story that you just told is not the way the cops figured out things happened.

Your cousin's mistake was trying to tell them that it isn't their business. It IS their business. That is what their business is all about.

My own personal opinion is that I would much rather have GAs around than most badge-bearing bullies.

GA's are very much like Bobbies in the UK: they carry no firearms, and they keep would be thugs from taking control of a neighborhood.

The only places I have ever been aware of contention between GA's and the local constabulary, it was not too long thereafter that some very high-up members of that constabulary were put on trial for very bad things.

Next time you or your cuz or your friends encounter a GA, instead of telling them to buzz off, simply tell them that, sure you're heading home, and would not mind an escort. They'll see you using your key to get into some house, and they'll stop caring about you.

Again, you really need to ask yourself what your cousin and his friends might have been up to that they didn't want anybody else to learn about.

My guess is that they were ogling some fine young lady, who decided to ask the GA's to make sure she wasn't going to be harmed. Not that this is the ONLY thing your cousing and his friends could have been up to, but, in my mind, it is about the most innocent of scenarios.

Either way, if your cousin and his buddies were arrested by the GA's who were not in turn arrested by the constabulary for ulawful confinement, then the cops must have had some reason to believe that the GA's were simply looking out for the welfare of the neighborhood.

For everybody's sake, I would ask that you give the GA's the benefit of the doubt in this kind of case.

To contradict "eric"s 'answer', anybody who has ever actually read any dictionary's definition of the word "proactive" would have to agree that "stopping crimes in progress" is an example of being proactive. The opposite of being proctive is to not take action until too late, when it becomes REACTIVE. In other words, just like all those good little citizens who simply stand there and watch someone get mugged, and wait until it's all over before even reaching into their pockets to get their cell phones to dial 911.

Proaction takes many flavors: including preventing crimes from happening. If some resident of the neighborhood had a reason to fear your cousing and his friends, and your cousin and his friends became argumentative to the level of becoming combative, then stopping them from so doing counts as being proactive.

The only reason any real law-enforcement officer would have for not wanting the GA's to be as proactive as possible without breaking any laws of their own, is that the cops WANT there to be at least a certain level of criminal activity, which some DO want, for a variety of reasons.

Reason number 1: job security. If there are always a few breakins each month, there will always be citizens clamoring on about wanting more police, meaning that there will be fewer layoffs, meaning that there will be less chance of them losing their job.

Reason number 2: some high-up officer is on the take and is allowing some thug(s) to continue their crime spree.

Reason number 3: some high up officer is using the existing crime rate to fuel his campaign for some higher-level elected position.

And there might be a whole lot of other reasons.

Any place where they want to reduce the crime rate, they should cooperate not only with the GA's but neighborhood crime watches, and any other non-reactionary 'vigilante' group who might happen to be there trying to make the neighborhood a better place.

And the same goes for Frag's 'answer'.

It has never been vigilantes that have been the problems, but rather it has always been the kind of "vigilante" who decides that the police and the courts and the corrections of that jurisdiction don't work, and decide to take punishments into their own hands, and lynching the suspected wrongdoers, and hanging them or tarring and feathering them, or just plain beating the stuffing out of them, all without a court ever even having a chance to agree with them that any such action should ever have taken place. Those aren't actually called 'vigilantes', but rather lynch mobs.

It's only crooked cops who want vigilantes to be untolerated.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

GAs should not be proactive. That is the job of certified peace officers. GAs need to limit there activities to being out there and in the public's eye, and stopping crimes in progress.

Answer 4

Vigilantes must not be tolerated because they are encroaching on the work of the law enforcement agencies.