What have JWs learnt form the fact that the Watchtower Organization changed its teaching on flags, and?

Question

military service, used to view the Great Pyramid as "God's Stone Witnesss", banned vaccinations and organ transplants, change its mind on Christmas, and predicted events for 1914, 1935, and 1975 that failed to come true?

Sara G: I hope they do, because their organization still claims to be the only true channel of communication between people and God.

JC: Have you ever considered that you are not on the side of the truth?

I know that JWs believe that Jesus is an archangel Micheal. Is there somewhere in the Bible where Jesus claims to be an archangel Michael?

Lavender: Thank you for your thoughts. I will make my next an archangel question for you : )

Line Dancer: I do not hate JWs. Why you keep saying it. Your organization claims to be the only true channel of communication between God and people, why do not you want to answer these questions without accusing me spreading hatred? These are your organization's doctrines. Do not seek the lime light if you cannot take the heat.

Jesus Christ is the Truth, He is the Way, and He is the eternal life. No one will go to the Father's house except through Him. Your orgnaization has changed His message. You do not have to serve Him in any particular church. You can give Him honor in any church that they worship and honor Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, who is also Father God.

If you do not like any church, start your own.

Answer 1

***************JC ****************You stated:
"The Witnesses never banned organ transplants or vaccinations. They also never made a prophecy in those dates."

Below are listed some of the "milestones" in the WT's official statements regarding blood and organ transplants:

1909 Acts 15:135 (including prohibition on blood) not considered as law for Christians. WT REPRINTS 1909, p. 4374.

1945 Denunciation of blood transfusions as pagan and God-dishonoring. WT, July 1, 1945, p. 198201.

1961 Taking a blood transfusion is grounds for disfellowshipping. WT, 1961, p. 63, 64.

Donating organs (eyes) for transplant up to your conscience. WT, 1961, p. 480.

1963 Any fraction of blood considered as a nutrient not to be used in medical treatment. WT, Feb. 15, 1963, p. 124. (See also Awake! of Feb. 22, 1975, p. 30.

Ask your bakers and candy makers if blood is used to make the lecithin used in their products. WT, p. 123

1964 Cosmetics in which cows blood is used are condemned, as well as fertilizers which contained blood. Pet owners told it is wrong to allow transfusions to be given to sick animals. Food with blood in it not to be given to pets. Awake!, May 8, p. 30; WT p. 127, 128.

1967 Organ transplants are a form of cannibalism and to be shunned. WT, Nov. 15, 1967, p. 702704. (compare 1961)

1977 Blood transfusions are organ transplants: " . . . many a person might decline blood simply because it is essentially an organ transplant that at best is only partially compatible with his own blood."

1978 Ban on certain blood fractions lifted for hemophiliacs. WT, June 15, 1978, p. 30. (compare 1963)

1980 Organ transplants are a matter of conscience, decided by the individual. WT, March 15, 1980, p. 31. (compare 1967, 1977)

1984 Accepting a bone-marrow transplant is up to your conscience. WT May 15, 1984, p. 31.



**********JC here are the publications of the WTBTS that show their predictions*****************************************

1914 "And, with the end of A.D. 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as is already shown from prophecy." {TKIC 153}

1914 "Let us remember that this date limit - A.D. 1914 - must not only witness the completion of the selection and trial and glorification of the entire body of Christ, but it may also witness the purifying of some of that larger company of consecrated believers." {TKIC 364} ["must not" changed to "may not" in {TKIC 1915 ed 364}, the expected events having not happened]

1914 "The 'Time of the End', a period of one hundred and fifteen (115) years, from A.D. 1799 to A.D. 1914, is particularly marked in the Scriptures." {TKIC 1923 ed 23}

1915 "Man's head is shaped differently; therefore he can think of subjects about which the lower animals cannot think .. A man with a head of a given shape cannot think with the same breadth of mind as a man with a better shaped head - a man who is less fallen. Some have lost more, others less, of the original perfection, of the original intelligence, given man in his creation." {WR Jan 15 1915 5611} [Returning to phrenology, belief that shape of the skull and hence the brain determine character - see 1907 and 1913]

1917 "The Scriptures indicate that Russell was chosen of the Lord from his birth. The two most prominent messengers were Paul and Pastor Russell. Russell is the servant of Matthew 24:45-47." {WR Nov 1 1917 6159}

1918 "The Holy Spirit was taken away in 1918 when Jesus came to the Temple" {SALV 216-7}

1918 "We have no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of .. 1918, .. It was on this line of reckoning that the dates .. 1918 were located; and the Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon .. 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure. What further evidence do we need?" {WT May 15 1922 150}

1921 "Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice .. Use your rights as American citizens [i.e. participate politically!!] to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccination." {GA Oct 12 1921 17} [GA, CONS and AWAK articles until the 1960s contain far too many examples of medical imprudence and quackery to quote from other than sparingly. GA advocated the Grape Cure which was purported to cure cancer by fasting and only eating grapes, which (according to its founder, Johanna Brandt, who the Society endorsed) worked because grapes were 'magnetic' and rejuvenated your mind with the sun's healing 'vibrations']

1924-5 "After 1925 expect shortly Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.. No doubt many boys and girls who read this book will live to see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, and those other men of old come forth in the glory of their better resurrection, of perfect in mind and body. It will not take long for Christ to appoint them to their post of honor and authority as his earthly representatives. The world and all the present conveniences will seen strange to them at first, but they will soon become accustomed to the new methods. They may have some amusing experiences at first; for they never saw telephones, radios, automobiles, electric lights, aeroplanes, steam engines, and many other things so familiar to us." {TWTP 224-6}

1925 "The great Pyramid of Egypt, standing as a silent and manimate witness of the Lord, is a messenger; and its testimony speaks with great eloquence concerning the divine plan (Isaiah 19:19).. Arius .. Waldo .. John Wycliffe .. Martin Luther [were all] part of God's Organization." {WT May 15 1925 148-9}

1925 "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914" {WT 1924 211}

1925 ".. about April 1, 1925, at which time we may expect the resurrection of the Ancient Worthies .." {MLND 110}

1925 "Some one asked me the other day: Suppose you should be here in 1925 what would you do? I said, I believe I will be home in the Pleiades before then .." {WT Nov 1 1920 334}

1925 "Bible Students, known since 1931 as Jehovah's Witnesses, also expected that the year 1925 would see the fulfillment of marvelous Bible prophecies." {AWAK Jun 22 1995 9}

1926 "Tonsillectomy is called a minor operation. If so, getting well is a double major. If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful." {GA Apr 7 1926 438}

1926 "Air baths are good for preventing colds.. What you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while." {GA Feb 10 1926 310}

1927 "The face of the deep, of course, would be toward the Pleiades, which are claimed to be the habitation of Jehovah." {CREA 94}

1927 "Every bedroom [should receive] at least two hours of sunlight every day [this will] kill tuberculosis and other germs." {GA Jul 1 1927 643} [T.B. is very prevalent in hot countries with lots of sunlight]

1928 "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;.. The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." {RECO 14}

1928 [Great Pyramid at Gzeh in Egypt was built under direction of Satan] {WT 1928 339-45/355-62} [compare with [God had placed the Great Pyramid of Gizeh in Egypt] {WR Sep 1883 525}]

1931" Vaccinations are a violation of the Eternal Covenant God made with Noah.. Quite likely there is some connection between the violation of human blood [vaccines] and the spread of demonism.. sexual immorality .. Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." {GA Feb 4 1931 293-4} ["Vaccinations appear to have caused a marked decrease in diseases" {AWAK Aug 22 1965 20}]

1931 "Every one in America should take pleasure in displaying the American Flag" {GA Feb 4 1931 293}

1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1914, 1918 and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time. Later the faithful learned that these dates were definitely fixed in the Scriptures; and they also learned to quit fixing dates for the future and predicting what would come to pass on a certain date, but to rely (and they do rely) upon the Word of God as to the events that must come to pass." {VIN1 338-9}

1932 "If you spend 15 minutes reading each of Rutherford's books you would get more pleasure than you would reading the Bible for a whole year" {VIN3 383}


Well, this list goes on and on and on and on--and it is ALL from the Watchtower publications.

You may want to look into the history of an organization that teaches Jehovah is from a star cluster called Pleiades, that the shape of a man's head and his physical features indicate whether or not he is capable of holding a certain office, that an entire mansion was built in San Diego called Beth Sarim for the certain return of King David, Abraham and others,
and all other sorts of ridiculous things.

I pray that you will research your own organization.

JC***********************UPDATE:

This is what you state the watchtower has stated about the pyramids,
"This is the Lord's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes."
Yet you overlooked where the watchtower completely changed their mind (once again!) and then stated:
1928 [Great Pyramid at Gzeh in Egypt was built under direction of Satan] {WT 1928 339-45/355-62} [compare with [God had placed the Great Pyramid of Gizeh in Egypt] {WR Sep 1883 525}]

So, which is it now?

Are the Great Pyramids something that we should marvel at in recognition of God's direction and greatness or is it from the devil?

That's just ONE issue, JC, and you seem to be blind to the fact that there are HUNDREDS more.

How can you not see they are a false prophet just like Joseph Smith? How could you willfully remain blind in the face of evidence so great?

I did not see your link where you extracted your watchtower sources from. This information is extensively reseached out of the orginal texts many times from third and fourth generation JWs that have gone back and read the old publications. If what you are referring to...is a CD that has been updated to clean up the organizations numerous false prophecies--no, doubt you are simply discovering more false hoods upon more false hoods.

I pray that you will ask The Father in Heaven whom Jesus His Son prayed to--to reveal Himself to you in a way in which you can NOT deny the Truth.

This is my sincere hope and prayer for you--that you come to a true knowledge of who the diety to whom you refer to as Jehovah truly was and is and ever shall be.

Answer 2

That would be like asking the question "If the Watchtower Society would change the new light on water, would JWs still follow WTS?" In other words if the Society said that water wasn't wet would we believe it? First of all there is no new light to change regarding the trinity. The question is about as foolish as a question can get.

Answer 3

Nina, you really know how to choose a good topic. Let's think about this. Very good topic to discuss. I am not sure about this but want to put in my thoughts. If I am wrong do please correct me.
Michael the Archangel is mentioned in the OT. He is to be known as the MOST POWERFUL angel from God Almighty. The angel that led the battle of taking Satan and his followers out of heaven. Now here's something to think about. I don't know if Michael the Archangel is mentioned in the NT. Christ Jesus came down from heaven to man in the NT. So, when Christ Jesus came to be with man and Michael the Archangel is not mentioned from the time of Christ Jesus, could it be because then the MOST POWERFUL angel under God Almighty came down as Christ Jesus. I mean, how can there be both. Christ Jesus is the next to God Almighty and yet it says Michael the Archangel is the MOST POWERFUL angel under God. There is a connection. What do you say?

Answer 4

They believe Jesus died on a pole rather than a cross. Problem.... His hands would've had to been over his head. So what's the problem? He would've died of asphyxiation within minutes. The arms stretched at an angle would be more torturous since the victim would stay alive for hours. Jesus stayed on the cross for more than 3 hours.

They think Christians worship the cross and shouldn't use symbols. Yet the Watchtower uses a tower as its symbol. Go figure.

Answer 5

If you are on the side of truth, is this how you show it, by venting hatred toward one particular religious group?

If you have the truth, tell us all what it is. Of course, we all know you won't do it because even anti-witnesses disagree with one another sometimes. But you won't dare reveal that, will you?

How many hours a day to do hang around anti-witness website before you post questions about them? If you think you are discouraging those who want to learn the truth, I would love to invite you to my next circuit assembly. The place will be full of those who truly love Jehovah and his Word. Satan will use you for so long before he gets tired of you and then casts you aside. It's only a matter of time.

Answer 6

To JC i got the paper work from a JW that claimedthe world would in in 2005 and it did not happen so if he is a jw than why are they teaching each other different doctorines. And I dont beleive God makes adjustments to His WORD

Answer 7

I am amazed to watch JWs who must be young or new make statements that include the word "NEVER."

Before you go making those statements, spin up your "Watchtower Library" CD and do a search on the key words, like "vaccine" and "organ transplant." While you're at it, look for "cannibalism."

AND... try this one: "Sodom and resurrected"

You might learn something. Maybe.

Have a nice day.

Suzanne

Answer 8

Proverbs 4:18 says it all

Answer 9

If they are still a JW I would say they learned nothing. The one's who learned from this are likely preaching against the JW religion.

Answer 10

they have learned nothing, they change just like the time changes minute by minute, they all will fall into the pit!

Answer 11

That they are imperfect human being just like you and me.