To die in Jerusalem?

Question

Just for one minute try to put aside all the Palestinian, Jewish hatred.
Tonight on HBO I saw a documentary about an 18 year old Palestinian girl who went into a store and blew herself and one 17 year old Jewish girl up. Of course they both died.
This story was very poignant in that it didn't take sides with either mother.
The Jewish mom wanted to speak wit the Palestinian mom to find out a few things..did she know her daughter was going to do this..why did her daughter do this..would she be interested in trying to spread the word that what her Palestinian daughter had done was wrong.
After almost 5 years the mom's met via closed circut TV.
The Jewish mom was trying to make her point, but in all fairness the Palestinian mom was saying her daughter lived with terroism daily, that htey were prisoners... that se hd seen many of her people(some of them friends) killed by Israelies.
That while the Jews had freedom to go where they wanted and live where they wanted not the Palestinians

That her daughter believed in what she did.
I would love to read your opinions on this. And if you get the chance to see this, by all means do.
All intelligent answers welcome, if you plan to curse at me or call me a Palestinian lover..don't bother.
I'm not interested in an argument, just a discussion.

Great! Three out of 4 answers that make sense to me..keep them coming!!

Ultra N..good point

Tequila, I read your link, what I saw was the objection to the similarities between these 2 girls. I didn't see why the article was dishonest.
Did I miss something??

Answer 1

One day I was at the house of the parents of a suicide bomber. I didn't know how I would feel because I'm so incredibly against suicide bombings. There I discovered the parents did not know what their son was going to do and if they had known, they would have done everything in their power to stop them. I thought the father had a stroke because he had difficulty speaking and walking. No, turns out it was from the Israeli soldiers who had entered their home one time (as they've done with most Palestinian families, including the Christians), and beat him ruthlessly and without provocation or reason. (Before you say he must've done something or it was a one-time thing only, let me tell you I have heard a similar story over and over and over and over again from all kinds of Palestinians).

Time after time after time soldiers come in for no apparent reason and scare the crap out of people and often beat them as well. Suicide bombings happen for a reason. Again, I don't think anything justifies them but it is understandable why the Palestinians get so desperate.

I also was talking to an Israeli soldier outside a village that they roadblocked, cut off all supplies in/out of, people were desperate, hungry, thirsty, etc. He said they had to because of suicide bombers. I said I can't even imagine how horrible and scary it must be to not know who is going to blow themselves up. I also agreed that perhaps they were stopping a potential suicide bomber from getting out, but I bet that they were creating 2 or 3 in his/her place. You can't treat people so inhumanely and expect no reaction.

MikeinRI - Please don't make blanket statements that make it out that all Jews do not teach their children hate and all Palestinians do. That simply is not true. BOTH sides often teach love, and sadly BOTH sides sometimes teach hatred.

Funcused - Your remarks are inflammatory when you say that Palestinians would "blow themselves up anyway because they are brainwashed". It's ridiculous and adds more hatred into the world.

Let's all look at the reasons behind actions - and not simple ones like they're "brainwashed" or are taught that - let's look at why people would become so desperate that they would blow themselves up. If Israelis want suicide bombers to stop, then you must look at what you are doing to help create them. Desperate people go for desperate measures.

Answer 2

Jews do not teach their children to hate - even in the most extreme of situations. Unfortunately the Palestinians do not do the same and if the Palestinians would take the road of peace and not the one of hatred and the continuation of poisoning their youth with hate thoughts then their could be peace. I have heard of this story before about these two women and their daughters long ago when it was in producation. The reality is the Palestinian mom said about see Israelis killing Palestinians can be said of many Palestinians killing Israeli civilians. The major difference is that Palestinian focus their attacks on civilians and the Israelis focus their attacks on legitimate millitary targets - there are no moral equivilents here and the fact that this story attempts to make thing moral equal demonstrates that it is biasing the story towards the Palestinian cause - which in reality is illegitimate (in the case of suicide bombing).

Isn't in amazing that US troops have been in Germany originally as occupiers at the end of World War II and the native population their rose up against the terrorism of fromer Nazi radicals but the Palestinians - who BTW didn't commit terrorist acts against their Egyptian and Jordanian occupiers for 18 years (people who forced them to stay in refugee camps rather than absorb their populations) - don't do the same but actually encourage Palestinian children to become terrorists. Japanese and Italian didn't act like the Palestinians either and US troops are still in those lands 62 years since the end of WW2 (in Italy even longer). Palestinians are their own worst enemy.

Good Luck!!!

Answer 3

Ultra National the UN base came under fire from Israeli artillery and was struck by a precision-guided aerial bomb. Four UN observers died. They had also been phoning from the morning every 30 min telling the Israeli army to be careful. Yes it was deemed an accident, I guess Israel's computers were off that day?

To answer your question, there is not an easy way to answer this question. Is there an excuse to kill anyone innocent? On both sides Israel and Palestine , no there is no good excuse. To understand why someone kills someone , yes someone could go inside and see the frustration, the desperation, we can only imagine , we can only watch videos, we can't live there in the west bank or in gaza on a day to day basis and see how it really feels to be locked up in a prison, to have your rights taken away for 60 years now and no one can see the end yet.
To the Mother of the Israeli girl, my heart is saddened at the loss of your daugthter. In Islam it is forbidden when in war to kill innocents (woman children men not soldiers). God sees everything each one of us does. Peace!

And Ultra also if the United States of America gave half the weapons to Palestine that it does to Israel, then I guess it would be a "fair" war. Cheers!

edit at EU: yes that is very correct, last year they bombed the roads and bridges, and then Israel said " We're humane because we dropped leaflets telling them in advance" but yes the people had no where to run, and when they did run many bombs were dropped right on the vehicles trying to get out.

Ultra National: I guess you actually know very little , that post was built in 1972 Israel most certainly knew that it was there. I also guess you don't know that it was a Canadian UN peacekeeper that was killed among others, and I guess you didn't know that he wrote an email to CTV telling about all that took place before they were killed.

Actually Ultra, I worked for the most hated organization. The most hated organization by most Israelis. Why is it hated? Because it has told the truth for 60 years now. I worked with UNRWA. Cheers!

Answer 4

The Palestinians are in a horrible situation, but having been there, I can assure you that if they stopped trying to kill Israeli civilians, their lives would rapidly become much better. Israel just wants peace. The PA wants the death of all Israelis. Let's not equate blowing up tens of people and losing your own life in the process with being killed by a violent extremist as you do your grocery shopping. The two deaths are in no way similar.

Answer 5

This is called: manufacturing moral equivalence. See film review: http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/ac38c774-e6dc-4f44-9359-1767a4b7650b&comments=true#commentAnchor
(And please don't presume to speak here of Jewish "hatred" for anyone. Just as my parents raised me to treat others kindly and with respect, I am raising my own Israeli children to do the same. The overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel and around the world --including the many who have suffered at the hands of our nation's enemies-- do likewise. We do not believe in teaching innocent children to hate. Despite what certain cultures have done to us, we will not think nor behave as other groups do. Some perceive this as weakness; au contraire, it indicates our strength.)

Incidentally, a newspaper report that cynically played up similarities between the girls (and, apparently had a role in spawning the film) received a "Dishonest Reporter 'Award' 2002", an annual award "for the most skewed and biased reporting". http://www.honestreporting.com/a/dishonest.asp?p=4

Answer 6

it's very easy to blame your upbringing for your actions - but that's not an excuse for all Islamic terrorists. take the London bombing for example - most of the people involved had grown up in England!!!! what type of oppression did they suffer?!?! nothing that would ever justify as even an excuse for their actions, i think that a lot of Palestinians would blow themselves up anyway because they are so brainwashed even if they grew up in a normal place with normal conditions.

Answer 7

My sister-in-law was blown up at a Tel-Aviv cafe in 1997. My niece was only six months old then, and she miraculously survived.
I do not think there is any justification for such a horrible deed. We Israelis do not educate our children to murder and maim...

Answer 8

that's really sad... I wonder how bad it is over there to drive someone to do something like that.

Ulta N, i think they do that because the israeli army kills civilians too. And how exactly are these figures ''minimal civilian casualties'':

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

Oh Lord... wonder what it's like when they're not ''trying to minimize civilian casualties''
Just because the Palestinians don't have international news networks that are willing to air footage of every person that is killed at the hands of israeli soldiers doesn't mean that the their lives are worth any less than the israelis that die. Look at these figures for f*ck sake, almost 10 dead palestinians for every dead israeli... I don't even have to say anything, the figures speak for themselves.

Answer 9

That's why Palestinians 'can't go where they want' - because they have this rather irritating habit of strapping bombs to their bodies and killing as many innocents as possible!

Have you ever lived in Israel?

If not, you don't know what it's like to live through these things and also with the ever present threat of terrorism.

Answer 10

In 1967 while entering the Gaza strip Israeli soldiers going through schools found math books that taught basic mathematics giving 2nd grade children problems like 2 Jews are walking down the street we kill 1 how many are left
So these children are now mothers and fathers to a new generation of hate filled children
a young girl killing herself wearing an exploding belt is no hero and her mother is one miserable, sad human being.