The deification of Jesus happened outside of the scriptures, and centuries after the Bible was completed.
How Did the Trinity Doctrine Develop?
You might ask: ‘If the Trinity is not a Biblical teaching, how did it become a doctrine of Christendom?’ Many think that it was formulated at the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E.
That is not totally correct, however. The Council of Nicaea did assert that Christ was of the same substance as God, which laid the groundwork for later Trinitarian theology. But it did not establish the Trinity, for at that council there was no mention of the holy spirit as the third person of a triune Godhead.
For many years, there had been much opposition on Biblical grounds to the developing idea that Jesus was God. To try to solve the dispute, Roman emperor Constantine summoned all bishops to Nicaea. About 300, a fraction of the total, actually attended.
Constantine was not a Christian. Supposedly, he converted later in life, but he was not baptized until he lay dying. Regarding him, Henry Chadwick says in The Early Church: “Constantine, like his father, worshipped the Unconquered Sun; . . . his conversion should not be interpreted as an inward experience of grace . . . It was a military matter. His comprehension of Christian doctrine was never very clear, but he was sure that victory in battle lay in the gift of the God of the Christians.”
What role did this unbaptized emperor play at the Council of Nicaea? The Encyclopædia Britannica relates: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.”
Hence, Constantine’s role was crucial. After two months of furious religious debate, this pagan politician intervened and decided in favor of those who said that Jesus was God. But why? Certainly not because of any Biblical conviction. “Constantine had basically no understanding whatsoever of the questions that were being asked in Greek theology,” says A Short History of Christian Doctrine. What he did understand was that religious division was a threat to his empire, and he wanted to solidify his domain.
None of the bishops at Nicaea promoted a Trinity, however. They decided only the nature of Jesus but not the role of the holy spirit. If a Trinity had been a clear Bible truth, should they not have proposed it at that time?
2007-12-02 08:09:15
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answered by Tim 47 7
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He was made out to be God by his followers. It's not something that he professed to himself. The things Jesus said that his followers later used to indicate that he was God?
"I and the Father are one. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" - I'll argue any day of the week that he meant that his soul was as pure as a god's. The he and God were of like mind and heart. Either that, or he looked like Joseph.
He also said "I am that I am" Hello. I've said this. It doesn't make me God. It just means that he didn't want to go into a long explanation on what he believed, and he wanted to express his individuality. Who do you say that you are, I ask? I'll bet you are who you are...
The idea of the trinity is part of the reason I started going to a UNItarian congregation
2007-12-02 08:13:36
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answered by Katie Short, Atheati Princess 6
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This is a very common question among critiques of Jesus' deity, Muslims included. The answer is found in understanding the Trinity and the incarnation of Jesus.
The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all existence. This one God exists as three persons: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are not three gods, but one God. Each is a separate person, yet each of them is, in essence, divine in nature.
A close analogy of the Trinity can be found by looking at the concept of time. Time is past, present, and future. There are three "aspects" or "parts" of time. This does not mean that there are three "times," but only one. Each is separate, in a sense, yet each shares the same nature, or essence. In a similar way, the Trinity is three separate persons who share the same nature.
The Incarnation
The doctrine of the incarnation in Christian teaching is that Jesus, who is the second person of the Trinity, added to himself human nature and became a man.
The Bible says that Jesus is God in flesh, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.....and the word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:1, 14); and, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form" (Col. 2:9). Jesus, therefore, has two natures. He is both God and man.
Jesus is completely human, but He also has a divine nature.
God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.
2007-12-02 08:11:22
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answered by Anonymous
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Socinians, as they later came to be called, wanted most of all to restore the pure Christianity taught in the Bible. They felt that the Protestant Reformation had merely skimmed off some of the corruption and rituals from the Catholic Church while leaving its rotten core, its unbiblical teachings, quite intact.
Like the religions around them, they were guilty of many errors. Still, of all the religions of the Reformation, this rivulet of Socinianism adhered to the Bible more than most.
Why Did They Reject the Trinity?
Like Servetus before them, though, the Socinians were most renowned for rejecting the churches’ teaching on the Trinity. Why did they? Their reasoning followed two lines. First and foremost, they saw that it was unscriptural.
“In place of a doctrine whose very terms, Trinity, hypostasis, person, substance, essence, were not taken from the Bible but invented by philosophers, and whose Christ was little more than a philosophical abstraction, he wished to get men to put their faith in a living God, in a divine Christ who had been a historical reality, and in a Holy Spirit forever working in the hearts of men.” He believed the three were one only in the sense of John 17:21 and considered holy spirit to be God’s active force, not a person.
Further, the Socinians found the doctrine’s so-called Scriptural supports to be quite weak. The favorite scripture of Trinitarians, 1 John 5:7, was already well-known as a corrupted text, a later and uninspired addition to the Bible. The other, John 1:1, makes sense only when understood as calling Christ “divine,” or “a god,” instead of making him the same as almighty God.
The most devastating blow to the Trinity, though, was that the Bible’s very description of God, Jesus, and holy spirit makes the membership of each of them in any trinity quite impossible. How so? Well, first of all, holy spirit is shown in the Bible to be not a person at all but, rather, God’s active force. (Luke 1:41; Acts 10:38) Second, Christ could not be “coequal and coeternal” with the Father, since the Bible describes him as subordinate to his Father and as having been created by Him. (John 14:28; Colossians 1:15) Finally, how could Jehovah, so often described as the one God, actually be part of a threefold deity? Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:6.
Thus, on Biblical grounds the Socinians refuted the Trinity. But they also rejected it on the grounds of pure reason. According to a historian of the Reformation: “Socinus held that, although [the Bible] may contain things above reason, it does not contain anything contrary to reason.” The Trinity, with its contradictory notions of one god who is at the same time three persons, clearly fell into the latter category.
Persecution of the Socinians began to increase. In 1611 a wealthy Socinian was stripped of his property and sentenced to have his tongue cut off, to be beheaded, to have a hand and a foot cut off, and then to be burned. Of course, he could live on in peace if he would just change his religion. He wouldn’t budge. He faced his execution unwaveringly in the Warsaw marketplace.
But arguments against the Trinity would not die so easily in England, where many learned and reasonable men saw their Scriptural truth. Sir Isaac Newton, one of the greatest scientists in all of history, refuted the Trinity in his writings and is sometimes called a Socinian. Joseph Priestley, famous chemist and the discoverer of oxygen, was also called a Socinian. John Milton, the great poet, renounced the Trinity.
What about your church? Has your church, like so many today, lost its respect for the Bible? Does it teach instead the ideas of men? How does it stand on such doctrinal matters as the immortality of the soul, hellfire, or the Trinity? Have you compared these teachings with what the Bible says? The Socinians did.
2007-12-02 08:36:26
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answered by BJ 7
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Jesus is the son of God and it says so in about 500 places in the New Testament. Modern people don't like "not having an image of God" as the Commandment requires. So they have decided if they call Jesus "God" they can get away with it. But are they? For they are living on lies and imagination.
Don't think Jesus looked anything like these pictures we often see, Jesus was a Rabbi and it was a sin to not have a ruffesh bread or to for a man to have his hair long.
Jesus prayed to God to do the job God gave him and to show his love. Jesus also "Sits beside God, in Heaven; not in God's lap.
2007-12-02 08:20:17
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answered by geessewereabove 7
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The trinity is not 3 Gods, it is 1 God in 3 persons, or relationships to humanity, The Father is God in heaven, The son is God in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit is God in us. calling him 3 Gods is absurd but if you think of it as water it makes more sense. H2O can be liquid (Water), solid (ice), or Gas (water vapor). The same is true with God, are you saying that water is absurd too? Can you reference any scripture too your point?
2007-12-02 08:17:04
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answered by Anonymous
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Jesus was in the beginning with God a part of the whole of God.
Jesus is the part of God that became a man, flesh,
The flesh is to be in submission to the spirit.
man is created in this image of God made first flesh then God breathed in a eternal spirit.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 1 explains God said let US create man in OUR image.
Genesis 2 shows how man is created from the dust (flesh)
God breathed life into him (spirit)
and man became a living soul (soul)
God created man above the animals more than flesh which returns to dust but with an eternal spirit.
2007-12-02 08:14:15
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answered by djmantx 7
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No, it isn't. The Bible clearly states in at least two places that Jesus was God in a human body:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Philipians 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
A son partakes of the nature of both the father and the mother. In this case, Christ's Father was God and His mother was a human woman, so that He would have our nature and yet still be God. He humbled himself (that is, his Godhood) and became the perfect Sacrifice for our sins.
The Holy Spirit is also God:
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
He proceeds from the Father and the Son and is worshipped and glorified with Them. That adds up to the Trinity: one God in three distinct and separate Persons.
2007-12-02 08:17:21
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answered by Wolfeblayde 7
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Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man. Now is Man god or is god a Man.
2007-12-02 08:12:16
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answered by wrathofkahn03 5
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I think Jesus did not play by any of the rules for a religious hero and people are still scrambling around trying to figure out what to make of him.
Was he man? Was he God? Was he the son of God? Was he the Messiah? The arguments for all these things are very weak based on the scriptures themselves (they certainly weren't predicted by the Old Testament, despite claims to the contrary).
I think you can't worship the man without reading what he said in the Gospels, and trying to live your life by them.
It's no use trying to make sense of who he was or put him in a box.
2007-12-02 08:13:28
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answered by Anonymous
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