According to the Creationist belief Noah put 1 of each gender of each "kind" of animal on the ark, but not every species or breed otherwise the over 1.5 million known species of animals wouldn't fit in this "Clown Car Hypothesis" of yours. So this means for example only 2 dogs were on the ark and not every known breed of dog. So if for example Noah only had 2 poodles on the ark without evolution how do you explain the many different breeds of dogs we have today?
The dogs don't even have to be the same breed. You could have a labrador and a poodle. Without evolution the only breed you'd ever see is a labradoodle. So I'd like to know how this works without evolution. Enlighten me.
2007-12-01
16:35:59
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I'm loving the creationist answers.
Chimps and humans have DNA that is 99% identical. That's more similar than a wolf and a coyote which is about 96% identical. How can you possibly deny that humans and other primates don't have a similar ancestor? It's ridiculous. To claim that humans have gone unchanged doesn't explain the fossilized remains of prehistoric man thats less developed than humans but more developed than other primates. Denial... it's not just a river in Egypt.
2007-12-01
17:15:04 ·
update #1
In case you aren't getting my point. You're saying that it's plausible that canines (wolves, dogs, coyotes, etc) could have crossbred to create new species, but no crossbreeding resulted in a modern human despite the DNA evidence that we are 99% similar in DNA to chimps.
And just to clear things up neither myself or any other intelligent evolutionist would say that humans came from monkeys. The claim is that humans and other primates have a similar ancestor. I'm not suggesting any sexual reproduction between humans and other primates either.
2007-12-01
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I know the difference between micro and macro evolution. I wonder if you do tho. You seem to think even with using just the dog example that creating every canine species was done purely thru microevolution. That's simply not true. Microevolution doesn't change one species into another. That's the defintion of macroevoltion which you deny is possible.
A wolf and a dog are not simply dogs, they are two different species of dogs, not merely breeds. In order to change from one to another would require a macroevolutionary split.
2007-12-01
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Dig out those bibles people and flip those outdated fictional pages over to Genesis 7:21-23 Or go to http://www.biblegateway.com and read up. EVERY LIVING THING on the earth except those on the ark PERISHED. So sorry, a partial flood is not accurate. The only living beings left were on the ark.
2007-12-01
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I'm a Christian/Creationlists, yet i still believe in Evolution. Evolution has also been proven to be true. I just dont believe humans were evolved from anything, nor do i believe all living things started out as bacteria, etc
2007-12-01 16:39:05
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answered by Steven W 2
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You are confusing the terms micro-evolution and macro-evolution. Most Intelligent Design folks reject macro-evolution - the idea that one kind of thing can evolve into another kind (e.g., a dog could evolve into a cat [ note: I’m not saying that specific evolutionary process has been claimed, but only that 'type' of claim has been made]). Macro-evolution is essentially the 'Molecules to Man hypotheses' which Darwinian evolution claims, but for which we see no proof.
Intelligent Design folks do accept the idea of Micro-Evolution - the idea that within a 'kind' you can have various changes. Using your dog example, we see examples of cross-breeding dogs resulting in a 3rd, new breed.
We see examples of this when viruses mutate and bacteria become resistant to drugs. While a bacteria may mutate, it still remains a bacteria.
We also see examples of micro-evolution in people – in their recessive genes, for example. Let’s say you take a man and woman of mixed race (black father, white mother), for example, and they produce two children, it is not at all uncommon for their genes to produce one white baby and one black baby. They do, after all, have both genes in their gene pool (see link at end for an example of this).
The Christian response to the question about how we take one of each 'kind' of animal to get the various different 'species' is that they had the genetic material already in their DNA to make those different species.
Note that what we do not see is a lion mating with an elephant to produce a liophant (or would it be elephion - grin).
Of course this brings up one other question I've always wondered. Sometimes the difference between different species is so very minimal - beak size in birds, for example - that I wonder how loosely the term ‘species’ is used. For example, if a slight difference in beak size and shape can differentiate one 'species' of bird from another, then why, when we see much wider differences within the human species (skin color, hair type/color, nose size/shape, eye size/shape, etc.), do we not classify each different race as a different species, but rather we classify them as different as sub-species. It just seems like whatever standard that is used to make that determination is very fluid.
2007-12-02 01:14:09
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answered by The Non-Apologetic Apologist 3
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I understand that all dog breeds today came from the wolf. So Noah would only need the two wolves on the ark and the poodle and labradors would descend from these wolves by the process of "artificial selection" which
is not evolution because evolution is "natural selection"
Noah's Ark can be explained by realizing that all the millions of species of animals, plants, insects, etc. did not need Noah's Ark to survive the flood. They survived without Noah's help in other parts of the world.
Does one have to be a creationist to answer this question?
If God created all creatures, and if he created all life on Earth, and if God is the Father, then we are all related to each other. You are as related to seaweed, and to monkeys, as you are to another human person.
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2007-12-02 00:51:18
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answered by Lu 5
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The modern species of animals on Noah's ark evolved over time to what we see today. Plus the fact that mankind has been cross breeding dogs, cats and many other domestic animals since the flood. Humans however have stayed the same.
2007-12-02 00:50:48
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answered by Anonymous
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there is something called micro evolution (which is the only part of "evolution" that is true).
micro evolution is the changing of the animal WITHIN the species. (ask any scientist or science teacher). so if the dogs breed, there could be an altering of genes or location (they must be able to adapt to their surroundings) so they will change over time. but whether it's a poodle or a labrodor or a hyeina(sp), it's still a dog. you never see a dog and a cat breed and an offspring from that. miro evolution is possible. you can ask anybody (who knows what it means anyways).
2007-12-02 00:42:22
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answered by Anonymous
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The only part of evolution Creationists do not believe in is macro evolution (the evolution from ape to man). The other, micro evolution, has been proved. What you're talking about is micro evolution, so there's no need for a Creationist to fight against a scientific fact.
2007-12-02 00:51:05
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answered by Anonymous
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well, first of all noboy said evolution isnt true. it is. but as you can see, all dogs have the same characteristics. probably one is chubbier one is taller etc etc. but hey are all dogs. humans change too... who knows? we probably looked a lot different back then, but we were still humans. we neve were apes or whatever you guys say. As GOd created all the living creatures, he created humans. we didnt "evolve" from something, though we do change. to adapt to our surroundings.
Just like there is all different types of Humans. there are Asians, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, ect... we adapt to our surroundings thats all. but we dont change into a whole new species... we are created specially by God.
Since the ark. everyone went off and started changing. Different types of humans, different types of cats, different types of dogs, yet they are all still humans, cats, and dogs. stop trying to twist things.
2007-12-02 00:57:13
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answered by Anonymous
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Okay, let's explain it your way. It isn't that we don't believe in evolution, but that we were created and then evolved. Man evolved from man, dog from dog. Not man from ape. We never think that evolution has not occurred intraspecies. And all dogs evolved from 2 canines! Some day, something so profound will happen in your life, that you will know that there is more out there than science can explain. (And I don't thump bibles, or go to church!)
2007-12-02 00:41:05
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answered by Cheryl P 5
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simple answer. Noah's Flood didnot cover the whole world through Archeological evidence
fossils prove evolution is a Hoax
http://www.harunyahya.com/c_refutation_darwinism.php
http://www.darwinistsneverrealize.com/
http://www.askdarwinists.com/
http://www.fossil-museum.com/
http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/
http://www.evolutiondocumentary.com/
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/
http://www.darwinismthegreatestlieinhistory.com/
http://www.whydarwinwaswrong.com/
http://www.detailsofdarwinistforgeries.com/
http://www.bewareofdarwinistfalsehoods.com/
http://www.famousdarwinistdeceptions.com/
educate your self!
2007-12-02 01:35:13
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answered by nooru 3
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Christians tend to believe in evolution up to the point that it gets them properly treated for diseases and allows them to explain away 'proof' of god or a biblical tale. But that's as far as they'll go.
2007-12-02 00:42:04
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answered by Way 5
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