First off, one should note that the concept of 'heaven', as well as "hell", is a pagani concept adopted INTO christianity. In the old hebrew scriptures, all people go to the same place, Sheol. Whether they were 'good' or 'bad' or of the 'faith' didn't matter, everyone goes to the same place.
Secondly, even in the christian concept NO MOAN can judge who does go where. That is the job of the SPIRIT on the 'day of judgment'. Christians like to THINK/CLAIM that with their 'bloody lamb' they have some kind of 'get out of hell free card", but that is NOT what 'Jesus' taught...
Mat 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you sinners!’ Technically, 'Jesus' bars sinners from heaven.
Mat 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only one who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
'Jesus' always upheld the 'old laws', since according to the old laws to preach that you don't have to follow them and advocating an OTHER god makes the preacher a 'false prophet', Deuteronomy 13
As is the case with 'Paul', he repeatedly says people don't have to follow the laws, but qualifying him as a 'false prophet' can be summed up in Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law, that everyone who has faith will be justified."
As far as 'judgment', even the 'false prophet Paul' cites....
1 Cor 5:12 for what have I do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. Drive out the wicked person from among you.
1 Cor 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
One should also note that in Deuteronomy 13, it also makes conversion a NO-no to god. Since converting is giving a person an OTHER god, which is defined as on that a person personally has not known or a god that was UNKNOWN to a person's fore fathers. Basically, its tying in with the SPIRIT that is EVERYWHERE. If a missionary has to go TELL or SHOW someone else their god, then their god is NOT everywhere.
Even 'Jesus' recounts this teaching in Matthew 23:15 "Woe to you, scribes, Pharisees, and HYPOCRITES! For you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte. And when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourself." The translational term 'hypocrite' here is interchangeable with the term 'sinner'. Essentially following the teaching of 'the blind cannot lead the blind.' Technically, this would INCLUDE Christians, since they are self professed sinners, from having the authority to convert anyone.
As far as 'judgement day' and how people are judged, I usually stick with the book of Ezekiel. There are only 2 things that the sciptures CLAIM were actually written by god, the commandments given to Moses AND a scroll given to Ezekiel. Eze 2:910 then I looked, and I saw a hand stretched out to me. In it was a scroll, which he unrolled before me. On both sides of it were written words of lament and mourning and woe.
One should also not that from the text in Ezekiel, that Ezekiel suffered for the 'sins of man' for MORE than 400days at the 'hands of god', rather than a mere 3 days at the 'hands of man' liek christians claim their 'Jesus' did. Ezekiel chapter 4.
Eze 7:27 I will deal with them according to their conduct, and by their own standards I will judge them
It is kinda silly to expect people that don't even hold a group of laws as valid will be judged by them, especially within a religious light. Also see the Law concerning religious vows...
Deut 23:21-23 If you make a vow to the LORD your God, do not be slow to pay it, for the LORD your God will certainly demand it of you and you will be guilty of sin. But if you refrain from making a vow, you will not be guilty. Whatever your lips utter you must be sure to do, because you made your vow freely to the LORD your God with your own mouth.
This is also a 'throw back' to the old rituals. When a person became an 'adult' usually at 13yos they would have a religous ceremony in which they would go through the convanet of the people, and state and vow to uphold each of the odinences within the covanent. Depending upon the covanent though, a person could refrain from uttering some of the laws if they felt that they could not uphold them. This is why being a sinner was so VILE in the OT scriptures, since a sinner just didn't do something 'bad', it was that they had LIED to their OWN god. If a sinner was willing to LIE and DEFY their OWN god, the truth was and IS that nothing is really sacred to them.
The Christians did change this concept of sin though in the 5th century. With the inclusion of concepts like 'original sin' or 'accidently sinning' or 'sinning in thought' essentially made everyone the world over in need of their 'bloody lamb'.
Though one should note that the 'Sons of Ephraim' already tried this though, and they were condemned for such abominations. In Hosea and Habakkuk, we learn of the 'sons of Ephraim'--the Canaanites, they venerated a stick of wood, offered up human sacrifice upon high places--like MT Calvary, used human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, and relished in their sin, just as Christians do. One should also note that Ephraim was the son of Joseph, born in the city of Bethel, and also called the 'right hand of the father.'
Hab 2:16, the cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.
Ecclesiastes 1:9 what has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
2007-12-01 13:26:17
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answer #10
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answered by Lion Jester 5
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