atheists, if a Christian tried to prove the existence of Christ through their bible (how ridiculous...), how would u argue your point intellectually to get your point across?
2007-12-01 04:12:08 · 33 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
There are many, many options available to the atheist. Historical writings and documents, scientific evidence, common sense, social patterns - all and many more point to religion being a man-made social construct.
I would use them all, time permitting.
2007-12-01 04:16:27 · answer #1 · answered by Blue 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
This is my argument. I have used it a lot on here in answer to some incredibly stupid questions.
There may have been people crazy enough to actually believe that they were prophets, but then again, people also used to believe that a priestess sticking her head in a volcanic lava tube and inhaling hallucinogenic fumes came out speaking the word of Apollo. Not only that, but the Bible has been rewritten and revised so many times that its validity is very slight.
People using the Bible as evidence are quite foolish and don't understand its history. It was written by humans and was edited on many occasions to fit their beliefs. The most influential revision occurred during the 300's CE, after the Council of Nicea. Before there was any "official" Scriptures, the Church clubbed together and decided to filter out books that contradicted what they wanted to teach. The highest ranking Church members voted on what they wanted their official doctrines to be. The most important one was deciding whether they wanted to teach that Jesus was divine and the literal Son of God, or if he was just a very important prophet. It was close, but they decided that Jesus was divine. They then eliminated any book in the Bible that stated different from this. About 40 different Gospels were circulating at the time, but they cut the number down to 27. Any other texts that were found were burned. They also eliminated any Old Testament books that referred to the coming Messiah as a mere human sent by God, and not God himself.The remaining ones underwent serious revision by the Vatican. They had their scholars copy out and translate (poorly) new versions of the Bible. The scribes had to work at such fast paces that these were unavoidable. Some of these mistranslations were so immense that they have completely changed the Christian religion. For instance, the word that was translated as "virgin" that was used to describe Mary would instead be correctly read as meaning "young girl." Nothing in the original Bible claims that Jesus was born of virgin. The entire idea of Immaculate Conception is only inferred from these texts.
There may be a God, but by no means can the Bible be used as evidence of it. You may as well read the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
2007-12-01 04:18:42 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
It is intellectually dishonest to accept uncorroborated evidence as proof.
I regularly respond to the question "What proof do you need that Jesus existed?" with the answer "Anything that corroborates the assertion that isn't derived from the Bible itself."
How about the Death Warrant they wave around in Jesus Christ Superstar? Do you have that?
2007-12-01 04:16:24 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Your assertion relies upon emotion not good judgment, so why are you yelling at Christians for something your doing proper now? Secondly, if in ordinary terms stupid all and sundry is religious than why is the top of the Genome project christian? Why became into Issac Newton? Gregory Mendel? Boyle? etc.... Even Einstein acknowledged an better capacity, and pronounced that atheists weren't something greater beneficial than slaves to foolishness (i will locate his good quote in case you opt for). Thirdly, its a faux actuality that there is far less crime fees in much less religious places. case in point, China has terrible human rights standards, terrible human trafficking problems, terrible financial standards, terrible pollution, and great poverty.... Fourthly, in case you bothered to apply some good judgment you may learn the beginning of Christianity somewhat than 'assume' it became into created to diminish crime fee. Christians brought about chaos, not order, of their society. They broke countless rules of Rome and have been persecuted and positioned to loss of life for appearing on their ideals. below no circumstances did Christianity take place to diminish crime fees or carry order.
2016-10-10 00:16:17 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I would calmly explain to them that they are making a petitio principii.
God is responsible for the writing of the bible
the bible says God exists..
It's a fallacy..
Secondly I'll explain to them that you cant prove something that's completely beyond reason and sense.. you can only believe the absurdity in it..
2007-12-01 04:24:02 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
~~~ Yea ,,, The "point" is moot because the reference used, the bible, is his only "evidence" to support his argument, thereby demanding the scrutiny of his source. ANY "scripture" from ANY culture "proves" nothing. Consequently, one can apply the same logic that christian's use in dismissing other religion's god's and Scripture he deems as "false", as a counter arguement. Result = "Holy" Wars of Dogma vs. Dogma, "god" vs. "god", while we Heretics & Heathens wait for our fellow man to Catch Up in it's Collective Wisdom. ~ Namaste`
2007-12-01 04:33:59 · answer #6 · answered by Sensei TeAloha 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is true because it's God's word. You can't argue with circular logic.
2007-12-01 04:18:54 · answer #7 · answered by bsxfn 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I would pull out the story of "Twas the Night before Christmas", and argue for the existence of Santa Claus, using that book as my proof of his existence.
LOL
2007-12-01 04:21:36 · answer #8 · answered by Sapere Aude 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
It IS ridiculous indeed. They fail to see that Bible is not what my world spins around, but oh well ...
What I would do is find the contradictions in the Bible, loops and errors and confront them with those.
Not that it's going to work, I'm afraid.
2007-12-01 04:16:13 · answer #9 · answered by Poppy Pickette AM - VT 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
depends n what point that they bring up. but it is easy to dismantle almost every point that can be brought up. science is a beautiful thing.
and since they will never have proof that water can be turned to wine....its not hard to defeat their logic.
bring on a question... i will attack it with common sense..and will make it fall.. but if i dont have an answer.. doesnt mean... because i have no answer that there is a god
2007-12-01 04:25:36 · answer #10 · answered by pencilnbrush 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋