and what were the other options considered at the Council of Nicea?
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2007-12-01 02:43:14 · 20 answers · asked by Hatikvah 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Still looking for other "options" considered at the Council...
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2007-12-01 03:38:35 · update #1
Paul was getting no where fast getting converts in Tarsus.
The people there were mostly Mithra's followers. The believed that blood sacrifices washed away sins.
Paul blended this idea into his ever changing version of Christianity. Only he supercharged it with the blood of Jesus (son of God) washes away the sins of the world. Prior to this it had no part in christian teachings. Jesus never said anything about it. It worked like a charm. Paul had a deluge of converts because He gave them something that they could relate to.
This success was not overlooked by Constantine and his gang. They were trying to maneuver them selves into the control seat of the christian faith. They adopted Paul's version of Christianity and the idea of God/Jesus dying for your sins. It was very effective because of the guilt it induced. They also took another hint from Paul's book of tricks and came up with a very similar version of Paul's conversion for Constantine. He too had a vision where the christian Figure head came to him and converted him.
The rest is history. After the council of nicea all competing scripture was ordered destroyed and all true versions of the teachings of Jesus were labeled heresy.
All we were left with was the nonsense called the bible.
Love and blessings Don
2007-12-01 03:00:58 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 9⤊ 7⤋
The Tanakh had been "codified" several hundred years prior to the council of Jamnia, that council was formed to remove the Hellenized and Christianized influences into scriptures of the Tanakh that had been translated into the Greek in the centuries SINCE the Septuagint ( the TORAH alone was translated by the 72 not the Prophets and Writings!!) and added it to the Septuagint.
I hope Mark S sees this because he compiled some very good information on this and how many Christian apologists try to turn the purpose of Jamnia topsy turvy with cherry picking.
I'm surprised no one has yet ( unless I overlooked it ) mentioned the Didache as evidence that there was Christian belief in a tripartate deity before the appearance of the Gospels.
Also..I would agree that this aspect of belief was introduced by Paul, but I see that it was perhaps more to appeal to thoe Jews in the Northern area of Judea who were ALREADY apostate to Judaism in worship of TAMMUZ..who LIKE Mithras..was born a virgin and whose blood was viewed as a medium to atone. Tammuz, who is condemned IN the Tanakh..was so influential that even a Hebrew month is named after him! Every time Israel adopted foriegn deity worship..the story didn't turn out too good in the Tanakh!
Paul appealed to the worshippers of Tammuz very much.
By the time of the Council of Nicea, I believe there were already many different sects of Christian thought and about half of them attributed some form of aspect of deity to Jesus.
2007-12-01 18:02:59 · answer #2 · answered by ✡mama pajama✡ 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Bible says that Jesus was the Word of God. It says also that Jesus was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. This meaning, that Jesus was with God when God created the Heavens and earth. Jesus became the Son of God, when Gods Spirit moved upon Mary and God spoke the Word and Mary became pregnant with Jesus. God performed a miracle. Arius, and the Council of Nicea, had a disagreement, and I agree with the Council. I believe Jesus came from the same place as God, I don't think God created Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Arius, thought differently.
2007-12-01 11:03:52 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
325 C.E.
Edit: Father Al is one of the most knowledgeable and far seeing Christians I have ever read. It is a pleasure to have him here with us. Take very seriously, the answers he provides.
I noted Nicea because that is where the doctrine became one, or, more correctly, when the three became one and the one became three.
Arius was not talking about another Messiah. He was talking about another idea.
Constantine just wanted one rule to build from. The issues were revisited again and again over the following 200 years, most notably at Antioch.
The presbyter's 'Godhead' did not survive because the power of Jesus was already alive in the people. The Nicene Creed does survive because it most accurately represents the true power and glory of the Lord.
TD
2007-12-01 11:34:15 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 2⤋
Jesus has always been God.
The doctrine of his divinity was defined at the Council of Nicea in response to the heresy of Arianism. The defining of a belief is not the same as the start of that belief. The Apostles and early Christians all knew Jesus was God, but it wasn't until Arianism that the Church had to make it dogma.
In doing this, they give those who are following Christ and his Church, the guidance they need to do so. You cannot be a follower of Christ and not believe that he is God.
2007-12-01 11:42:52 · answer #5 · answered by Misty 7 · 3⤊ 4⤋
You have it backwards. Jesus didn't become God. He's always existed as God. He became HUMAN.
Non-trinitarians, stop denying the truth:
Romans 9:5 (Two most accurate Bible versions)
"...Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God." NKJV
"To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever." ESV
Compare that to Ephesians 4:6:
"one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
Hebrews 1:8
"But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom."
AND THE VERSES THEY DISREGARD OVER ALL:
John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Obviously John believed this as well...(he wrote it). Looks like God/Holy Spirit believed it too (1 Timothy 3:16).
Colossians 1:16-19
"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him."
The NWT Bible was published BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in 1950. Not Christian scholars.
BY THE WAY...
Jesus was born around 5 b.c. (if that answers the question).
2007-12-01 13:00:27 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
"It's not a claim he ever took upon himself"? Really? Try the Gospel of John; in particular, John 10:30 but also elsewhere. And the Gospel itself tells us when Jesus "became" God; in the beginning. John 1:1-5.
2007-12-01 10:59:11 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋
I defer to the judgement of Fr Al, I have yet to meet a more knowledgeable, unbiased, sincere and kind person. I would take everything he says very seriously indeed. While I have no expertise to answer your question, I was glad for the history lesson Fr Al has provided. Thank you, Father...
your words are sorely needed voice of reason and truth...
I bow my grey head to you... and thank you yet again...
2007-12-01 16:59:56 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 2⤋
Although, Jesus is a god, but not the Almighty God, the concept of the Trinity was develop at Nicea in 325 AD by order of Constantine. This belief was developed to satisfy the Christian belief of Christ and the pagan belief of a triad god.
2007-12-01 10:48:51 · answer #9 · answered by Aeon Enigma 4 · 5⤊ 6⤋
I don't look to creeds for my doctrine.. I have the Bible and the Holy Spirit to teach it to me.. So far this seems to work... The Bible in the Gospel of John is clear on an answer to your question...
John 1:1.14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
That is saying that Jesus has always been God... IHS Jim
2007-12-01 11:06:47 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 4⤋