The question no non-atheist can answer?

Question

If we accept THe Kings post that organic molecules had to have arisen from life itself (and as an organic chemist this is wrong--organic simply means it is a chemical containing carbon and hydrogen). However for the moment I accept his position. Okay. Take powder diamond, carbon black, soot, doesnt matter it's all elemental INORGANIC carbon. Take ammonia, take water, little dab of inorganic phosphorous--put them in a vessel and run a strong electrical arc through them (lightning) or high speed protons (cosmic rays)--doesnt matter which, just need an energy source. Analyze what is in the vessel and you find aldehdyes, ketones, amino acids, purines, alcohols, amines---all of which are organic chemicals. (This expermiment was done 80 years agoand has been reproduced many many times by a variety of people). In actuality if we accept THe Kings hypothesis we have just proved spotaneous generation and a basis for evolution. Should we spout off on a subject we know nothing about?

ACtually, sontaneous generation requires energy--the need for energy enhances the point not detracts from it lol.

Answer 1

Well done.

I think theists should be encouraged to spout off and anything and everything. They dig their own holes that way.

Have a good weekend!

Answer 2

You are in a lab when you complete your experiment, and once you have your organic chemical you remove them from the source of energy because it also acts as a destructive force. Do the experiment, leave your organic chemical exposed, What happens? Second, what happens to the amino acids when there is no protections from the cosmic rays of the sun? ie. no oxygen, no ozone. Cosmic rays shred organic compounds, and oxygen, well... your an organic chemists, What happens when there is oxygen in the environment? What does water favor polymerization or polymerization? Just in case you did make them, leave them in the water, What happens? Its a paradox, that modern bio-chemistry cannot solve at the moment and is pure speculation. Not only is it highly difficult to produce the required amount of stable materials that can reverse easily. Under the extreme conditions of the early earth produce functional proteins, self-replicating RNA and DNA, the required lipids and other essentials to a single living cell, even the most primitive conceivable, and your challenge becomes impossible even if you have forever to do it creating all the materials trillions times a second. Because of the fact that the materials decompose and depolymerize at the same rate they polymerize and construct.

Well, There are a few more things I could throw your way but I'll just leave you with that for now. Journey Well

Answer 3

I'm sure that many of the fundamentalist creationists don't really understand what you mean, but it's a good point. When they say (in general) that we can't make living things out of non-living things, they tend to cite Pasteur's experiments (which only went to show that complex, multicellular organisms can't arise spontaneously), or cite that the Miller & Urey experiments were incorrectly done (it has been shown by others, building from the Miller & Urey experiments, that organics can, in fact, form from a variety of possible primordial Earth conditions). They also tend to forget that their hypothesis (that man came from dust, woman from the man's rib, and everything else from nothingness) is a more absurd scientific hypothesis than the one they claim to refute, they (in general) don't understand all that much science), and they do little (if any) good scientific investigation of their own hypothesis.

Answer 4

But, like you have stated, an 'energy source' is need...you have just invalidated yourself.

The energy source is through a Higher Power...
and as we all know::

Power=Energy/Time

Energy don't come from nothing.
And by the way, I believe in God, the Big Bang, and my mind is open to evolution.

edit:
either way, believing in evolution does not neccessarily make u an atheist.

Answer 5

I'm not a non-atheist, and I'd have to agree no we should not spout off on a subject we know nothing about.

Answer 6

I AM a Theist(Wiccan) and clearly that is correct. I leared that 10 years ago in college. DOn't mind the ID people...they just don't understand Science.

Answer 7

I have no idea what you are currently talking about; I have not had chemistry since 8th grade; I am 50 years old!!!

Answer 8

Blast you educated people with your well informed answers to questions it should be obvious no-one will ever be able to answer, especially if they make no effort ever to try beyond wishful thinking...

Answer 9

At least you asked a question.

Answer 10

I can't believe I wasted my time reading all of this.