Evolution or Creation a Black White Issue..Or not. Which of the below do you believe and Why?

Question

1; Atheistic evolution (naturalistic evolutionism)

2; Deistic evolution

3;Theistic evolution

4:Old-Earth Creationism, The Day/Age Theory:

5:Old-Earth Creationism, The Gap Theory

6:Young-Earth Creationism (Scientific creationism, Creation Science)

7: can't say but I believe in Creationism based on Genesis 1

8: can't say but I believe in Creationism based on Genesis 2

9: none of the above (please explain)

Intelligent answers only!! please be respectful this is a serious question about a serious problem.

Bula'ia Aratyme, Can you add some more details please, your a level 7 member after all.

garwy what's your problem? 1st don't insult me!!
2nd if you did some research and some thinking b4 answering, you would see that all though many small minded ignorant people see the world as being black and white, which is the cause of most of the problems. Don't they teach respect as a concept at Clare College Cardiff, a stones throw away from W-S-M were we could meet and have a chat about things next time I go back to see old friends. I repeat please respect me!!

Thank you for your feed back tamyp

Very interesting tentofield and thank you,
But the answer?

not much of an answer knight_janette,
Please read the question again, I feel you may have miss something

Curious
Very interesting, seriously Thank you
Though I am fighting the urge to make crack about God being Italian and the Agnrlli family, It's an Italian thing!

Great work keep it up

Answer 1

There are two additional theories that I do not see mentioned in your list, Fiat creationism and Progressive Creationism.

Put simply, Fiat creationism is the belief that God instantaneously created everything with His word and that no substantial time passed between each creation. God created all with direct action and contact according to this view. It's an extreme view that can not be supported by most Christians that consider themselves to be scientists.

Progressive Creationism sees the work of creation as a combination of God acts in which He created from nothing and biological processes that He put in place. Basically, God did some special acts of creation and then let his creation continue to develop through evolution. This view supports a belief in intrakind development. It does not support a belief in interkind development.

Personally, I tend to support the theory of Progressive Creationism. Supports of evolution have scientific proof to support intrakind evolution. Interkind evolution is still limited to theory. Progressive Creationism respects the science while leaving the space for the answer to how it all began to God. I can not support the theory of complete naturalistic evolution to explain all of creation. I don't believe in spontaneous generation of the building blocks of life. That requires faith FAR beyond what it takes me to have faith in a creator.

Many will cite the Big Bang Theory at this point as a reasonable explanation of the spontaneous generation of the chemicals that serve as the building blocks of life. For me, the laws of physics always come to mind at that point. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The Big Bang would be a reaction. What was the source of the action that drove the reaction?

Answer 2

OK I can accept the possibility of 1,2,3,
I find 5, gap theory a little doubtful but wouldn't rule it out

As I Can't believe the words of men born in small part of the world a few thousand years ago,
Who most likely believed the world to be flat, a for them certainly only as big as their minds could see!
So 4, 6, 7, 8. are a little the the Hindu Creation story, in that it's a story and just that!

Why is it that when some people enter this argument it becomes, for them a question of Mans word against Gods word.
I were to say to you that FRED had said some thing to me would you believe in my words or in the words of FRED!

Any way sorry that was for some people (no names) who think that the belief in god is the same as the belief in religion

may you need a slighty open to grasp it, but it you have try reading Small Gods by Terry Pratchett

Answer 3

Looking at this as objectively as I can....

1 - Absolutely NO way. The universe had to have a cause. Something had to start the universe and initiate the development and evolution of life.

2/3 - There's very little difference between these two options, except that #3 has the Creator being a little more involved in the evolutionary process. '

4/5 - Possibly

6 - This is my view (BUT...with the caveat that I believe God created the universe and the earth with the APPEARANCE of age).

I've written some stuff on this at...

protestantism.suite101.com

Answer 4

Number 6. The laws of science are compatible with the Biblical literal record on creation. To believe evolution and mainly Darwinism, you have to believe that contrary to the Law of Bio-genesis life came to be some how from non-life. You have to belive that there are some ape- like predecessors to man and apes even though none can be found in the fossil record. The fossil record shows main kinds of phila existing at the lowest accepted fossil level- the Cambrian explosion, without predecesors. There is no observable proof that million or billions of years has transpired. The geological Column does not exist physically only in text book charts. Rocks cannot be dated only elements inside the rocks are tested for dating assuming that the element in the rock has all been there and that the decay rates are constant while new evidence shows accelerated decay rates happening in thousands of years. The biological information and machinery found in even the simplest cells-bacteria- show complicated engineering and interrelated function which can only be caused by intelligence. The biblical record stands up to historical scrutiny.

Answer 5

1,2,3 all use the same evidence and facts.

However 2&3 make a leap of faith that the facts and evidence have or may have a supernatural origin.

4,5,6,7&8 are solely based on faith and supernatural explanations.

I accept the evidence of 1,2 & 3 yet I don't see how one can say natural evidence leads to a supernatural explanation. Even those who believe in the supernatural parts of 2&3 have to agree that those parts are only possibilities which are not an inherent part of the physical evidence.

The rest 4-8 I have no conflict with this. It's someone's belief and opinion and you can't argue with someone's opinion. As long as they can accept that I don't believe as they do then we're all happy.

Answer 6

#1 because it has facts and logic .
# 2 and #3 - what would be a real difference between these - are possible ( but unlikley ) but not with an Utimate "God" creator that BOTH cares about our well being and has the power to change things . ( We would be more like an experiment that got out of control .)

For curious : the force behind the big bang(s) could have been gravity .

Answer 7

Theistic evolution. I am still studying it (reading Dawkins now). My old position used to be the Day/Age theory. I have a very difficult time believing in a young earth.

Answer 8

I believe in #2. I think GOD created this universe, and perhaps many more, and created 5 forces of nature. My belief is that the 5th force brings about life, through an iterative process. i.e. emergent behaviour. He is not involved beyond the Genesis moment.

Answer 9

Evolution is science, it is not a question of belief. Beliefs are the realm of faith and religion, not science. I no more "believe" in evolution than I "believe" in gravity or the germ theory of disease. I accept the evidence for them but am prepared to change should new evidence counter the current theory. Religion never changes with new evidence which is one of the reasons it can never be science.

Answer 10

It's not a debate, there's no argument. You can put supernatural significance to the evolutionary process if you want, but the debate on whether evolution happens or not ended long ago. I have no beliefs on the supernatural, a supreme force might have been behind evolution, I just don't have enough information to make a decision on that yet.