I am just coming back from Europe where I had to attend a meeting. Many of us are holding diplomat passports and immunity is granted. I was very surprised to hear the following:
My Palestinian colleague, living in Jerusalem, working in Ramallah holding a diplomat passport and having citizenship of an European country is not allowed to enter Israel via Tel Aviv Airport. How is this possible? He got jailed and deported to Jordan from where he is allowed to enter Israel. When I heard this first, I thought he is joking, but............Even his European Embassy was helpless.
Which law does not allow an European Diplomat to enter the Airport of Tel Aviv just because of his Palestinian ancestry?
He also told me that he is not allowed to drive a car with Israeli license plaids. He lives in Israel!
Are Diplomats not granted immunity just because they are Palestinians? The same happened to an Palistinian holding an American Dipolmat passport.
Can somebody please explain?
2007-11-30
06:45:28
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edit paperback: thanx. I am not looking for a certain answer. I am looking for where it's written that an European/American Palestinian diplomat who lives in Israel is not allowed to enter Tel Aviv Airport. That's all. What is the reason? Like I said before: he lives in Israel! What is so special about the Tel Aviv Airport? It can not be regarding security, because he IS allowed to enter and live in Israel. Just not via Tel Aviv Airport.
Edit Diana: Thanx. Your answer helped a lot. Did I really deserve such a harsh answer? Did I ask a rude question? I do not think so.
2007-11-30
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update #1
edit Shay: you should have read my question first before answering it.
edit Duke: I agree with you. But 1. it can not be possible that a resident of Israel is excluded from entering an airport because this airport was a target before. 2. The rules/laws that Israelis are not allowed to enter certain Arab countries are public and known. That is exactly what I would like to know. Where is it written? Why are people getting caught by surprise? The country which passport he holds acknowleges Israel and has diplomatic ties. But a staff member can not enter the country where he lives via Tel Aviv because he was born in the "wrong" place. I am still loking for some official sources for this kind of treatment.
2007-11-30
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The regulations of the sovereign State of Israel for which you are searching appear on-line on several sites. The most authoritative source seems to me to be the following:
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+Ministry/Consular+affairs/Transit+policy+to+the+West+Bank+via+Israel+5-Mar-2007.htm
To make this quite clear: Any foreign national whom Israel considers to be a resident of PA-controlled areas is required to hold a valid Palestinian passport to enter or leave the West Bank or Gaza via Israel, the Allenby Bridge border crossings, etc. Any individual in this category may come and go via Allenby Bridge and not via the B.G. Airport. [Israeli citizens (see below) are prohibited from using the Allenby crossing and must depart and return via the airport.]
Anyone who last departed Israel through Ben Gurion Airport may return via the airport or any border crossing.
http://www.iaa.gov.il/Rashat/en-US/Borders/Alenbi/AbouttheTerminal/TheMainUsesoftheTerminal/
The Allenby Terminal serves as a border crossing between Israel and Jordan and between the Palestinian Authority and Jordan. The populations entitled to pass through the Terminal:
Palestinians and tourists. Israelis are not permitted to cross over through the Terminal.
This has nothing to do with anyone's ancestry. Your colleague indubitably left Israel via the Allenby Bridge and flew to the conference via Jordan. Like everyone else who does so, he is required to return to Israel in a manner similar to that in which he left. (BTW, if I felt like visiting Petra, I would not be allowed to return to Israel via the bridge. )
The info. may be linked to this as well.
http://www.altawasul.net/MFAAr
(Look for consular services for foreign nationals.)
2007-12-01 08:25:00
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answered by Tequila 7
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STATUS
Republic, which has declared its own independence. Large parts of the country is occupied by Israel, and final status of Palestine is not settled. Palestine is recognized by about 100 nations, but not by most Western powers, nor the United Nations.
ARTICLE: Is Palestine a state?
Day of independence: November 15, 1988.
I think that this "friend" of yours is an Arab born wherever holding a Palestinian Diplomatic passport that to this point and time has no value in Israel, there is no Palestizean country yet.
On top o f that a Diplomatic passport allows you many things except the right to abuse it.
Must be that this person is abusing his rights by possibly smuggling contraband or weapons.
What they do is 100% leagal.
Jasmin
Stop yo crap, this is a person that by law has a void passport, the "country" issuing is not a country yet, and if it was valid there is war between the Palestizians and Israel. The people holding these passport are sneerd at by the entire Diplomatical community, Israeli diplomats on the other hand have a valid passport issued by a VALID COUNTRY
To all you ays bees and cees
Palestine or whatever you want to call it is no country yet, the no country yet can't issue passports of any kind.
SO JUST STOP THIS BLAH BLAH OF WHAT OOBI DID TO ZOOMZOOM
Wake up all arabs
Save the Diplomat, if you belive a person holding a passport issued by a none country should be respected as a Diplomat then I understand why you people are called FANTAZIA people
PEOPLE BELIVING OWN LIES
2007-11-30 10:45:44
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answered by Shay p 7
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Because Ben Gurion Airport has been a target of Palestinian militant groups.
Remember that Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen block passports containing Israeli stamps or visas. (Note: as of October 26, 2007, there were no problems / questions entering either Oman, Malaysia or the U.A.E. with a passport containing an Israeli stamp.)
2007-11-30 16:22:52
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answered by Duke of Tudor 6
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umm because you know, israel is a democratic country. the ONLY one in the mid. east
btw in response to paperback's silly excuse, this would be like having separate laws for black people in america because the crime rate is higher in black neighborhoods. Or banning american citizens born in saudi arabia from entering American airports. Oh and the reason he's not allowed to have an israeli license plate is because that's necessary for security reasons, no wait, it's so they'll find it easier to spot him and discriminate against him. Gotta love democracy !
Edit to Paperback: Again, you did not say new. I DON'T CARE WHAT LAWS ISRAEL HAS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN ISRAEL HAS THESE LAWS WHICH ARE UNDEMOCRATIC THEN YOU CANNOT CALL IT A DEMORCATIC COUNTRY. IF WE HAD THOSE LAWS HERE IN CANADA I WOULD NOT CALL CANADA DEMOCRATIC.
You can say all the crap you want about how these laws are necessary and blah blah, just remember a couple of weeks ago you were the one telling me how israeli arabs (palestinians) live in israel and have the same rights as every other israeli citizen. I guess that was a load of bull. You can't have it both ways, if these laws are ''necessary'' for protection fair enough, that doesn't make them democratic. END OF STORY.
Btw while you're ''reading about the sheer numbers of innocent Israelis murdered over recent years by Palestinians'' you should probably read about the Palestinians murdered by israelis too, that's only fair right. Here this will be a good start, I guess the Palees shouldn't take the israelis as a role model on how to be ''decent human beings''
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
paperback- sorry, when you shout, I'll shout louder !
Maybe if you stop shouting then I will too.
2007-11-30 09:45:16
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answered by Anonymous
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Dear friend!
Along with you and the international community we consider that Diplomats are exempted from all law under internal security act.I In this case what would have been happened is that Palestine and Israel had not recognized the existence of each country in spite of the fact that diplomat is holding a diplomat passport having citizen ship of European country.
To put it in a nutshell,the basic condition and fact that Jews claiming DIVINE origin is not prepared to recognize others
in the same status along with them.
GOD being the father of all of his creations is still looking all with love and affection even without a diplomatic passport.
Experts on international law shall contribute something based on international understanding and international agreement.
2007-11-30 16:49:13
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answered by ahmed k 5
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This is not new to me. (to think what I'm going to say here involves people with no diplomatic preferences)
Have you heard about this news back in Sept 2007 in the US where a US Citizen for 30 years having an American-Palestinian family was separated by force at Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel?
Anyhow, here is the link:
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/09/08/the-biggest-sin-in-life-is-having-palestinian-heritage/
2007-11-30 07:12:22
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answered by willie v 5
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From what I understand the law is that Palestinians are currently unable to travel internationally out of Ben Gurion Airport, and that most of them drive to Jordan to do so.
It is surprising that even with a European passport he was not able to do so.
but I have heard so many stories of people having problems (Jews and Arabs) at that airport nothing surprises me anymore.
Personally I dont think it was a matter of policy as much as a low level idiot taking power into his own hands because he could.
but then again I cannot be sure.
2007-11-30 07:11:58
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answered by Gamla Joe 7
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without offend any one here if any body don't let me enterd my country my home or entere it form the side he allows so what you wait from him to do to say viva Israel H I'm also have Palestinian pal have the Jordan passport which cost from 10 to 15 days travailing to visit his dead father cause after that long time in travailing his father died and to return back he wear the haj clothes to not be caught by the police so what are you waiting to make a teenager suffer that much as you pretend to be suffering while you food is on your mouth others are in cold out there may be its raining they don't even have cover to sleep under so how come you are the same
sorry h but I'm going mad how they study to make propaganda any how i don't know them rule which of course you'll find it written on it cause they just brilliant smart people and i admit it
2007-12-01 08:11:03
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answered by Anonymous
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This religion thing is slapping human being around the globe for centuries. There is no set rule just the rule of fittest or unfit-test. Who knows that when this all will be over here on this earth?
2007-11-30 19:23:21
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answered by buttar506 4
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Now strangely enough, because I don't actually organise Israeli security, I can't 'explain'.
I would take a wild guess and say that since Palestinians in Gaza are still cheerfully launching rockets at Israelis, the Israelis are opting to be safe rather than sorry, and are not taking any chances. And frankly, who can blame them?
There was, I recall, a recent case where an Israeli Arab, a citizen, was found to be aiding and abetting his brother who was a terrorist in another country.
I think the Israelis are being cautious and I say good luck to'em.
Sorry, I do know this isn't the response you hoped for. Am just being honest, though.
EDIT TO B
Hey, the truth hurts, right? I wasn't giving an 'excuse'. I was giving a possible 'reason'. I rarely if ever offer unconditional support to anything or anyone but I'll tell you this much: after reading a bit today about the sheer numbers of innocent Israelis murdered over recent years by Palestinians, I wouldn't blame the Israelis for taking as many precautions as is humanly possible.
I'm sure that it did anger and inconvenience 'H's friend. But better that than another injured or dead Israeli owing to Palestinian terrorism.
If Palestinians want to be treated well, they should start acting like decent human beings, instead of repeatedly attacking Israel from Gaza.
JASMINE
Have you ever lived in Israel?
No.
Do you know what they suffer because of Palestinian terrorism?
No.
Have you ever been caught in the explosion of a suicide bombing and watched innocent Israeli kids and women get slaughtered?
No.
Then quit moralising about how the Israelis should behave.
B - stop 'shouting'!
2007-11-30 06:58:08
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answered by Anonymous
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