Jehovah's Witnesses Colossians 1:15-17 question/ Christ's deity?

Question

Jesus is not only equal to God (Phil 2:6), he IS God(John 10:30,38; 12:45, 14:1-11. , as the image of the invisible God, he is the exact representation of God. He not only reflects God, but he reveals God to us ( John 1:18, 14:9) He came from heaven, not from the dust of the earth (1Cor 15:47) and he is Lord of all(Romans 9:5, 10:11-13, Revelation 1:5, 17:14) He is completely holy(Heb 7:26-28, 1 Pet 1:19, 2:22, 1 John 3:5) and he has authority to judge the world(Romans 2:16, 2 Cor 5:10, 2 Tim 4:1) Therefore, Christ is supreme over all creation. We must believe in the deity of Jesus Christ( that Jesus is God) or our Christian faith is hollow, misdirected, and meaningless. This is a central truth in Christianity.

Answer 1

Christ is deity. (John 1:1) In Psalm 8:4, 5 David speaks prophetically of how the Word of God became flesh and David calls the angels of heaven elohím or “gods,” using the same word that occurs in Psalm 82:1, 6. The King James Version reads: “What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels; and hast crowned him with glory and honour.” Hebrews 2:6-9 applies those words to Jesus Christ, how in becoming flesh he “was made a little lower than the angels.” However, An American Translation renders Psalm 8:5 to read: “Yet thou hast made him but little lower than God."

The Bible says that Jesus and the angels are deities, but they are not Almighty God.

There is only one Almighty, whose name is Jehovah. (Ex. 6:3) There is only one Most High. It is also applied to Jehovah. (Ps. 83:18) Luke tells us that Jesus is not the Most High; he's the SON of the Most High. (Luke 1:32) At John 17:3, Jesus calls his Father, Jehovah, the only true God. Jesus called himself the Son of God. (John10:36)

So, is Jesus deity? Yes. Is he the supreme ove all creation? NO!

If you believe Jesus is God, where does that leave the one who Paul talked about at Col 1:3: "We thank God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ always when we pray for you"?

Answer 2

Do the scriptures you provided prove that Jesus is God? Let's look at some of them:

You say: "Jesus is not only equal to God (Phil 2:6), he IS God(John 10:30) Does that make sense to you? How can Jesus be equal to God and BE God at the same time?

Jesus was not equal to his Father. At John 14:28, he said: "The Father is greater than I am."

"He has authority to judge the world (Romans 2:16, 2 Cor 5:10, 2 Tim 4:1) Therefore, Christ is supreme over all creation."

That is just plain wrong. Jesus was GIVEN the power to judge by his Father, the one Jesus called the only true God. John 5:22, 27; 17:3

Christ is NOT God. He is God's Son. John 10:36

Answer 3

Where is the question?

Phil 2:6 Jesus did not try to 'rob, rape, or plunder' equality with God.

John 10:30, 38:

John 10:30 -36.

The Father and I are one (What?).

Context, Context, Context:

vs 25 Jesus tells us about the works he and the Father are doing.

vs 30 the Father and Jesus are united, one. One what? The Greek word ‘one’ (hen literally means ‘one thing’ or ‘in unity’ and not heis “one masculine”)

vs 32 Which works are you stoning me for?

vs 33 – 35 Jesus tells us he is equal to the human gods of Ps 82:6.

vs 36 Jesus identifies himself not as his Father but as his Father’s Son (John 8:42-45),
Jesus is the Son, not part of the Son, Jesus is the Christ, not part of the Christ.

vs 37 believe the works.

The context to John 10:30 shows: I and my Father are one (united in works).
This agrees with John 17:11, 20 – 22;

12:45: and he that beholds me beholds [also] him that sent me.

Two separate persons, As an image of God, as God's represenitive, Seeing Jesus was the same as seeing God.

"No man has seen God at any time"

14:1-11

(6) No one comes to the Father except through me.

(why stop at the gate or way? the purpose of going through Jesus is not to stop at Jesus but to get to the Father)

(10) The things I say to YOU men I do not speak of my own originality;

(Since Jesus didn't speak own words, who was he speaking for? His God and Father (Rev 1:6, you missed that verse

Rom 15:5,6; Eph 1:3, 17; 1 Pet 1:3; Rev 3:2)

Heb 1:3 Jesus is an image, Images have no power unto themselves. Jesus is a mirror reflection of his God and Father.

If you believe Jesus is more than an image or less than an image you are blinded by Satan. 2 Cor 4:4

1 Cor 15:47

(24) Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.

(27) For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him.

Jesus is still under his God and Father

1 Cor 11: 3 But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.

Who gave Jesus the authority to Judge and Rule?

Jesus is the firstborn of Creation.
Jesus is the beginning of the Creation by God.

We must believe that God sent his only begotten (created) Son to die in our place, so that we can come to know the only true God, Jehovah.

This is a certain truth of Christianity.

This is a simple sample of how many scriptures you misquoted

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Answer 4

There is no question that Jesus Christ is A deity. The prophecy about the messiah found at Isaiah 9 says that one of his titles would be "Mighty God". He is not, however, ALmighty God. There are many many reasoning points on that but here's a something for you to think about.

Jesus disciples asked him when the end of this system of things would come. Jesus' response at Matthew 24:36 - "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels in the heavens, nor the SON, but only my Father". If he WERE God, why would he be referring to himself as a separate person. If he WERE God why wouldn't he tell them he doesn't know the answer to their question?

Answer 5

"as the image of the invisible God, he is the exact representation of God. He not only reflects God, but he reveals God to us"

Ever since when did an "image", a "representation" be the person himself? Can you be you and your own reflection at the same time?

We believe in the deity of Christ, but that does not make him God. He is the SON of God.

The trinity doctrine on the other hand is "hollow, misdirected and meaningless." It is a central PAGAN TEACHING.

Answer 6

The usage of "Echad" in the Hebrew scriptures of Deu 6:3 removes any chance of a trinity.

In the Greek, John said no one has seen God removing any chance Jesus is God or a part of a trinity. - John 1:18.

Answer 7

Hello Brad, I am not a JW but I would like to voice my opinion. I do my reading and meditation on the Bible scriptures with the Holy Spirit so I will say I have knowledge too. Enough to understand what God Almighty expects of us through His son Christ Jesus.
Matthew 27: from verse 45 on is telling the death of Jesus. *About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" ---which means "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah." The rest said, "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him." And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened they were *terrified*, and exclaimed, "SURELY HE WAS THE SON OF GOD!"

You see on the moment Jesus died and they saw all this signs from heaven, their first uttered words was, "Surely he was the son of God!" They said that because when Jesus was living and going all over preaching he made it known to man that he IS the SON OF GOD. They did not know him as God himself but the son of God. That is what Jesus made known and so because Jesus said it many times, I don't feel it is wise to change what Jesus said or twist anything out of proportion of what Jesus said about his Father who is our God Almighty. I will believe to be true of what the Jehovah's Witnesses say about Jesus is the son of God because this they got it right. Any other religion or beliefs that all profess Jesus is the son of God is correct.
P.S. I cut the story short and so left out some verses. Just to make a fast point.

Answer 8

God said no gods before Him and none after Him. Hsa 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, [that] thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali. Here we see God say He is the Husband ( Ishi ) ... and we may no longer refer to Him as plural gods ( baali ) . I AM that I AM is singular. EHYEH.


Jesus does say He is God outloud in John 8:58..no need to quote Paul. That is why the sanhedrine surrounding Him picked up rocks to kill Him with but He made Himself invisible and walked through the midst of them.

Answer 9

You would be correct.

Uh oh....Looks like Scripture is stacked against jw teaching...

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex. 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Jn. 8:58

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. 1 Tim. 3:16

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jn. 1:14

“I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:8

And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I AM the First and the Last. I AM He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I AM alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death. Rev. 1:17-18

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Col. 2:9

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phil. 2:5-8

God can't lie. Titus 1:2

Answer 10

*reads carefully*

Besides the fact that you're leaning upon an inaccurate doctrine the Catholic Church borrowed from ancient Babylon, there's not actually a question here.