A question for those who believe in the Triune God?

Question

I have three stubborn Old Testament bible verses that raise the question,
How can Jesus have been begotten of the Father BEFORE all worlds, begotten, not made, being of ONE substance with the Father by whom all things were made?
This means that when God of the OT was saying these things, Jesus, was right beside him.
1Sa 15:29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; FOR HE IS NOT A MAN, that he should change his mind.”

Hsa 11:9 I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim.
For I am God, AND NOT MAN
the Holy One among you.
I will not come in wrath.

Num 23:19 God is NOT A MAN, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.

Don’t tell me Jesus was part man-part God and in these passages God was just talking about the part of trinity that was God. This would be called a demigod.

Do you Christians see how much of your REASONING you have to SHUT OFF to believe with your whole heart/soul/MIND?

Space Cowboy you dodged the question. I gave three verses where the "Liquid" said that it is not a "Solid".

Angel 1 Samuel said, God doesn't change his mind, if he doesn't change his mind he certainly doesn't change his form.

Jack, I understand my question perfectly, why would God the father say he isn't man, and then Christians today say he is? Was he speaking about only the part of himself that WASN'T God-form?

Brother M, believing that Jesus was 'free' of orginal sin says you believe in Creation and the whole Genesis story. Go 'reason' that story with someone with a Geology degree who'll tell you that there is emperical evidence showing that Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Christians, please stop shoving 'scripture' down my throat, your interpretations of it don't help a thing.

Answer 1

Since when did the word of God require reasoning?

Answer 2

First of all God is 3 persons ONE BEING/GOD.

God the Father....

Joh 5:37 - And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have NEVER heard his voice nor seen his form,

1Ti 6:16 - who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom NO ONE has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Jesus, God the Son....
He is the Lamb CRUCIFIED before the foundation of the World!
Re 13:8 - All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He is the whole "plan" of God. He "emptied" Himself into a "Living sacrifice" pure and Holy...for each of us...for He (God) wants that NONE should perish...however He also gives us the precious gift of FREE WILL & therefore we EACH must choose whether or not we accept this gift.

Joh 1:14 - The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Heb 10:20 - by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the VEIL, that is, His flesh,

Col 2:9 - For in Him (Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;


God the Holy Spirit...

Joh 14:17 - the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

1Co 3:16 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Jas 4:5 - Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?

God can be viewed much like the following examples:

Cube....Lenght, Width, Height....3 measurements, all different
ONE CUBE
Universe...Space, Time, Matter..3 elements...all different
One Universe
Light Bulb...Outer glass, Light within, & the Power..all different
One Light bulb
Water...liquid, Ice, Steam....3 variations, each different
One Element

Ro 1:20 - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

2Co 4:3 - And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.

2Co 3:16 - But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Hope this "helps" to "unveil" things.

Answer 3

Jesus was not man until He emptied Himself to become as a child and subjected Himself to the limitations of being human. Before Jesus came to earth He was still begotten of the Father and was beside the Father as God the Son.

Answer 4

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 1 explains God said let US create man in OUR image.

Genesis 2 shows how man is created from the dust (flesh)
God breathed life into him (spirit)
and man became a living soul (soul)

God created man above the animals more than flesh which returns to dust but with an eternal spirit.

God is not a man nor does he sin.
God became flesh to save his creation this was foretold from the begining.
There are two trees in the midst of the Garden and one is the tree of life.
Abraham tells his son, the lord will provide himself a lamb.
Isaiah foretells that the Messiah will be born of a virgin and atone for sin and will be as a lamb.

The entirety of the Bible tells of God's purpose for his creation.

Jesus explains he is the manna that comes from heaven.
Eat of him and you will live forever.

Edit...You quote scripture, then refer to answerers as shoving scripture down your throat,
The question refers to scripture and the answer is found in the word of God.

Answer 5

"Man" in these passages refer to humans born of a mother and father, born with a sin nature, depraved, rebellious against God from the womb. Jesus was not born of man and woman, did not possess a sin nature and was not able to sin.

Heb 4:14 Then having a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast the confession.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest not being able to sympathize with our weaknesses but One having been tried in all respects according to our likeness, apart from sin.

Reasoning on, mind firmly intact.

Answer 6

JESUS IN HEAVEN AGAIN IS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD HIS FATHER

John 3:13-17;
No man went to heaven but Jesus who came down from heaven.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received
up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. Acts 2:27-35; Acts 7:55,56; Rom.8:34; Col.3:1; Heb.1:1-13; 1Pet.3:22;
To many witnesses to say what Jesus said. Matt.3:16; 6:9-13; 13:37-39; 16:16; 22:37-40; 24:3,7,14,15 [ end times ]; 28:18; Jesus given all Power.

The bible is Jehovah's witness, Jesus is his greatest witness Rev.3:14;

Rev.1:1-3; John 3,5,24; Jesus was with God before the word was, as Jesus
was the first creation, created in his image. 2Cor.4:3,4; Col.1:15-17; John 3:16; If any one does not believe God gave his only begotton son, then what?
If that is salvation as God says it is. John 17:1-26; Jesus prays to his God and Father. Acts 13:30; God raised Jesus from the dead. John 20:17;

WHEN IS THE 2ND COMING OF JESUS AND WHO WILL BE ALIVE?

1Thes.5:1-9,21; To children of the light of times and seasons, alive,
Jesus does not come as a thief in the night.

Moses at year 2513, was at Exodus, 3560 years ago at 2007 after Christ,
the bible has been circulating in the world 396 years to see the end of
the last days and go into the time of the end

Matt.24:3,7,14,15 [ Dan.12:1-13; the time of the end, Michael at Rev.12:7-12; gives Satan his short time down under feet of heavenly raised up, to Satan in pit, Rev.20:1-6; no Satan 1000 years. We can know all but day and hour.

GOD ALONE KNOWS THE DAY AND HOUR OF JESUS SECOND COMING

Matt.24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels
of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so
shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Rev.20:1-6,12,13; No Satan 1000 yrs, the heavenly and Jesus. Rev.3:12;
Resurrected to heaven when Satan was cast down his short time in the
time of the end [ all those from Pentecost foward to 1Thes.4:15-17;
1Cor.15:22-28,51-53; To resurrect the earthly. There will be a new
heavens 2Pet.3:13; Isa.65:17; Eze.37:12-14; Rev.21:1-5; All new again.

Answer 7

Personally I like these verses;

John 20:16 - John 20:17 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mark 12:29 - Mark 12:32
29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

32“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.

Answer 8

The tri part,IMO, is to help us understand GOD because we cannot comprehend HIM existing in past,present or future all at the same time and never changing, ever. Praise the LORD.

Answer 9

What about those believers who worship the Father and the Son separately?

Answer 10

the Trinity isn't man, God, and spirit. it's father, son, and spirit. those verses were old testament. He wasn't man then. he became man in the new testament.



not over my head, nice try though.