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This passage is using Exodus 19 as a reference which is speaking to Israylites, as most any referencing bible will show you. A)) Why do people think this is not dealing with racial genetics when the word translated here as 'race' is the greek word "genos", the very source of our english word 'genetics' and 'genes'? It is used 21 times in the Greek text.
B)) Explain Romans 9:3-5 as it relates to this racial, genetic issue in as much detail as you can.
QUOTED from KJV on E-sword:
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

2007-11-28 07:30:41 · 6 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Many misunderstand this passage because of the continuous political correctness they are taught in the world, churches and commentaries. Peter is dealing with Israylites, plain and simple. The Israylites in question are NOT house of Judah, but the Israylites that had been put away in the House of Israyl, that is why he references the Hosea passage in verse 10. It is SPECIFCALLY dealing with House of Israyl and not House of Judah. Israyl is the chosen race, the chosen genetic line of people promised, both Houses. No one else. MANY HERE try to REPLACE true Israyl with a so-called spiritual Israyl to no avail but their destruction. It is very much dealing with genetics as you bring out. The Romans 9 passage is simply Paul's witness to the same point Peter is making. Literal Physical Genetic Stock Israyl is who is talking to, and then he proceeds to exclude everyone else in the chapter and then comes to verse 24 -26 where the word 'gentiles' is used and he references the SAME passage as Peter does in Hosea. The gentiles are none other than the children of Israyl that had been scattered in the Assyrian captivity, the 'jews' he refers to is the House of Judah. TWO HOUSES. For more on this you can try www.1335.com

2007-11-28 09:33:33 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Jews and Israelites can be used for good examples or bad example.

Jews and Israelites can be used as fleshly Jews or spiritual Jews.

Yes, Rom 9: starts out talking about fleshly kinsmen or fleshly Israelites,

but moves over to spiritual Israelites:

8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?

Rom 10:12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

If we be fleshly Jew or fleshly Gentile, if we call on Jesus we become Christian, spiritual Jews.

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2007-11-28 10:10:55 · answer #2 · answered by TeeM 7 · 1 0

Peter was writing to Jews, the Jewish believers. The Jewish nation was a chosen race, or generation, but he is specifying the Jewish believers, not the Jewish race as a whole.

In Romans, Paul is speaking of the Jewish people, from whom he comes. He specifies the advantage the Jews had as a chosen people of God over the Gentile nations.

2007-11-28 07:44:54 · answer #3 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 0 0

A novice might assume that Peter was writing to the Jewish community. However, there is a near consensus among scholars that 1 Peter was written to Christians of Greco-Roman religious backgrounds in Asia Minor. Phrases such as, "the desires that you formerly had in ignorance" (1:14); "the empty way of life inherited from your ancestors" (1:18); and, "You have already spent enough time in doing what the Gentiles like to do" (4:3) indicate that the letter was written to those of Greco-Roman background.

Although the Christians in Asia Minor would have been from various groups and Greco-Roman religious backgrounds, now in Christ they are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people" (2:9). In Christ they have assumed the special identity of Israel despite what they constituted in the past.

The Church's identity is founded upon Jesus, the "cornerstone in Zion," in whom "the believer will never be put to shame" (2:6). Peter intimates that the churches have not become members of Israel because of their natural birth as Jews, but because of the living stone who makes the Christian believers living stones as well (2:4-5).

The designation of the Christian community as a chosen race identifies Christian believers as a race without regard to race and as a race who derives its identity solely from Jesus. Christians were a race of no longer Jew or Greek, slave nor free, male or female; but all who had become one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28).

Paul felt bitter disappointment that the great majority of his fellow Jews were rejecting Christ. (Rom. 9:3-5)

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (9:6-7)

For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (2:25-29)

Consistent with Peter's Message, Paul emphasizes that the God's chosen has less to do with literal genetics than it does with the spiritual....

2007-11-28 08:48:07 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelious light.

2007-11-28 07:44:08 · answer #5 · answered by ? 7 · 0 0

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2016-10-25 04:09:05 · answer #6 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

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