Do you think that it is wise to seperate the Law from the gosple in the church of God?

Question

I think that when the emphsis is mainly on believing on Jesus we can make a dangerous mistake in causing people to not believe Jesus. The law of God, the ten commandments is our mirror that should show us our sins and the Holyspirit convicts us to look to Jesus. It can not save but the need for repentence should be evident when we see a sinless Christ crucified for our sins. So shouldn't they both be preached hand and hand ? Please show me your view and proof texts...here is mine. (1) Isaiah 58:1 (prophetic book : Show my people their sins...) (2)Revelations 2:5 (prophetic book: Remember whence thou art fallen...repent.)(3)Gal.3:24 (The law was our school master... to bring us to christ...Mosiac and royal)(4)Romans 7:7 (Is the law sin? God forbid...Knowledge of what sin is.(5) 1 John 3:4 (Sin is the trangression of the Law...) (6)Hebrews 10:16-23 (God writes his Laws in our hearts...Let us draw near with a true heart....lets us hold fast our professsion..)(7)Hebrews12:2 (Look to Jesus)

Answer 1

You have touched a nerve. The Gospel is that there is a solution to man's problem. Scripture is the Marriage contract through which people might become the "bride of Christ" and thus inherit eternal life (That is the gospel). The answer is that it is done by taking the name of the almighty YHVH and by following His rules. (He certainly does not need a disobedient "bride")

Answer 2

Proof texting is a poor method of scholarship, where one takes a passage out of context.

This was a problem for the apostle Paul; those of the circumcision coming behind him, teaching the Gentiles they had to keep the law in order to be saved.

The law has nothing to do with the gospel.

The "law of God" for Christians is the Spirit of the law without the letter (Romans 7:6)

Isaiah 58 is speaking to Israelites who were under the old covenant. Christians are under the new covenant.

The schoolmaster of Gal. 3 is a "paidagogos" and this does not equate to a schoolmaster, but rather a person who was put in charge of a child, taking them where they needed to go, such as a teacher, and even could administer punishment. Once the child came of age (in this analogy, a Christian) the paidagogos was dismissed.

1 John 3:4: The Greek does not support this translation. Regardless, the next verse is explanatory.

It was established in Acts 15 that Gentile converts to Christianity did not have to keep the law; any of it, and for others to teach them they did have to keep the law was seen as a subversion of their souls.

Not one example of the preaching of the gospel was in relation to the law or keeping it.

You are standing on very dangerous ground spiritually when you try to add anything to the gospel, especially the law. Paul declared a double curse on those who would in Galatians.

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Answer 3

I agree with you. Salvation does not do away with the law, it fulfills the law in our lives. The following passage from scripture tells us exactly what is expected and what will happen to us on judgment day.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 (NIV)
13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.

Answer 4

The very 1st commandment is odious--that ALL people should worship the Jewish deity--that law alone breaches the Constitution of the USA--and any casual look at the barbaric laws of the OT reveals that deity is unworthy of worship!

Answer 5

You assume we're all Christian. In a culture that is founded upon religious freedom, we must separate law from religion, so it will apply to all. If you're not comfortable with that, there are countries that do not make that separation and I'm sure they'd love to have you.

Answer 6

You cannot seperate the two. Before existence of "the church" the gospel was preached to the children of Israel and because of unbelief that generation did not enter into the land.

Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Today the gospel is being preached and because of unbelief people will not enter into the Messiah's Kingdom.

Concerning the "Law" this has been my response:

The "Mosaic Law" as most of Christianity calls it, was given to the children of Israel as the terms of the covenant agreement between Israel and God. Not unlike a marriage vow, the "Law" kept the "marriage" relationship together.

Remember, you are married (saved, redeemed) when you say "I do". To remain in the marriage you must be faithful to your spouse and keep your vows.

It is through this law that Israel would be His people and He would be their God.

As long as Israel abided in the "Law", the Torah commandments, they would remain under His grace as their redeemer, caring for them, providing for, protecting them and loving them. Just as a husband cherishes and cares for his wife.

Isa 54:5 "For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts; And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, Who is called the God of all the earth.

This Law was never given to any other nation or "gentile". It only applies to Israel and to the stranger or "gentile" who took hold of God's covenant such as Ruth, King David's grandmother who was a Moabite gentile.

Israel broke the covenant so God divorced them.

Jer 3:8 "And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.

Because of God's promise to Abraham and his seed He will make a "New" or renew the covenant with Israel.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, (The Northern and Southern Kingdoms making up the Twelve Tribes of Israel)
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Verse 31:33 states that the "Law" will be written on their heart. Therefore those who are in God's new covenant are the ones keeping the "Law".

In the "New" covenant, God's people will no longer be rejecting the Law they will be living it. Which always has been and always will be: The Torah Commandments of YHVH.

The purpose of the Messiah was to bring Elohim's people "Jew or Gentile" back into the covenant with YHVH through faith and love for Him and His commandments.

If the Word of Elohim are His commandments and we are not to live by bread only but by every Word of Elohim.

What were the crumbs the woman was seeking for under the children's table?

Mark 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
Mark 7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.

The followers of Messiah knew they would be blessed for observing just a morsel of the "Law" Torah of YHVH.

Answer 7

as Christan's we are called to a higher standard then the law. not a lot of Christians realize this but Jesus himself said that we need to love everyone. according for us to love everyone that means we need to be willing to give things up for other peoples sake even if it is something that is perfectly law full to do. OK say you have a friend that likes sports so much that it becomes an idol to them it replaces God to them they realize that it has become an idol so they stop idolizing it and get back to what really matters in their lives. but say i like sports but i can control it that it doesn't become an idol to me, it is perfectly law full for me to be involved in it, but if my friend see me involved in it and falls back into that trap then I'm supposed to give it up so my friend doesn't sin.i am not allowed to cause anyone a stumbling block even if it is OK with the law for me to do.

Answer 8

I'm not so sure that is exactly the way to approach the Gospel or preaching the Christian doctrine. I recommend some choice verses:

"Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does not wrong to a neighbor; therefore, LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW." (Romans 13:8-10)

Also,

"Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God; for God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be expiation for our sins." (1 John 4:7-11)

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(Amended responses)
I would also like to add this tidbit from Paul's letter in Ephesians:

"Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called the uncircumcision by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands--remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ.
For He is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, BY ABOLISHING IN HIS FLESH THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS AND ORDINANCES, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby bringing the hostility to an end." (Ephesians 2:11-16)

And,
"But if you call yourself a Jew and rely upon the law and boast of your relation to God and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed in the law, and if you are sure that you are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth--you then who teach others, will you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? For, as it is written, 'The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.'" (Romans 2:17-24)

"Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that HE IS BOUND TO KEEP THE WHOLE LAW. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; YOU HAVE FALLEN AWAY FROM GRACE. For through the Spirit, BY FAITH, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus NEITHER circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but FAITH WORKING THROUGH LOVE. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion is not from him who calls you." (Galatians 5:2-8)

If you want to live under the law, so be it but your obligation now is to fulfill the entirety of the law (ie., all the dietary rules, all the tithing, all the rituals, all the fastings and feast holidays, all of it). If you fail to uphold even one bit of it, then you fail in all of it. But if you live according to the law of Love, by walking in Christ's grace, then you will be led by His Spirit away from sin. You hold up Christ to contempt by seeking to justify yourself in the law. Love for your neighbor, for your fellow man would keep you stealing; it would keep you from committing adultery; it would keep you from lying; it would keep you from murdering; it would keep you from bearing false witness; it would keep you from worshipping false idols and keep you aligned with the Most High, for God is love.
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I am not suggesting to do away with the Ten Commandments because those are extremely significant and are indeed a standard guide to proper conduct in Christian lifestyle; but, for those who have accepted Christ Jesus' grace, the specificity of living under the law must not apply. His grace is sufficient for salvation and no one who attempts to justify him or herself under the specific statutes, ordinances, and laws in the Judaic Torah can succeed. For all men have fallen short of the glory of God and this is why Christ Jesus has come. To set us free from the bondage of that law which until He had come placed all men under the curse(s) of transgression. If you break one portion of the law, you break ALL of it. None can be saved except through faith in Christ Jesus. In His love, you shall be perfected by walking in His grace. If you walk in His love, you would do your neighbor no wrong.

Peace.