Or are they two separate beings?
The father of beginings, El, is mentioned in Genesis. Later on there is this Yahweh God that I don't think is associated in text.
What do you think?
2007-11-27 22:53:49 · 11 answers · asked by The Mad Padishah 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t106266.html
2007-11-27 22:53:54 · update #1
No,
Elohim 2) (plural intensive - singular meaning)
Elohim means supreme / true God and when used toward Yahweh and in the expression ‘Yahweh Elohim’ it is “Yahweh God” or “Yahweh the true God” and not Yahweh Gods.
“Jehovah God.” Heb., Yehwah´ ’Elo•him´. This expression, without the definite Heb. article ha before ’Elo•him´, in Ge 1. The first occurrence of the expression Yehwah´ ha•’Elo•him´ is in 1Ch 22:1, where it is rendered “Jehovah the [true] God.”
Who is the Father of Jesus?
It is the Most High (Elohim).
Luke 1: 32 This one (Jesus) will be great and will be called Son of the Most High
Ps 83: 18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah [Yahweh],
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
The name of Jesus’ Father is Yahweh (Jehovah) 'You alone'
Gen 14:22 At this A´bram said to the king of Sod´om: “I do lift up my hand [in an oath] to Jehovah the Most High God,
2 Sam. 22: 14 From heaven Jehovah began to thunder, And the Most High himself began to give forth his voice.
Ps 7: 17 I shall laud Jehovah according to his righteousness, And I will make melody to the name of Jehovah the Most High
Ps 9:1 I will laud [you], O Jehovah, with all my heart; I will declare all your wonderful works.
2 I will rejoice and exult in you, I will make melody to your name, O Most High.
(I could go on identifying Yahweh as the Most High, Jesus’ Father.)
Jehovah is correctly called El (God), but more importantly
Yahweh (Jehovah) Elohim means
Yahweh (Jehovah) the true God,
Yahweh (Jehovah) the Great God,
Yahweh (Jehovah) the Only God,
Yahweh (Jehovah) the Supreme God,
When Elohim is used alone without God’s name, but it still refers to the Only True, Supreme, Great God, whose name is Yahweh (Jehovah) Genesis Chapter 1 & 2.
(KJV) Isa 24:4, in the Hebrew / English text, The name of Elohim, [Yahweh], is used twice but only named [Jehovah] once)
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2007-11-28 00:52:06 · answer #1 · answered by TeeM 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
God is a unity, and Elohim is plural to convey this. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are acting together when this term is used. Yahweh refers to the only part of God that man is allowed to see, and is the angel of the Lord, or Lord, or Lord Jesus. This is a personal name.
Throughout the bible, God gave himself many names to demonstrate his nature. The first time Yahweh is used is at the burning bush. If you go back and read the story carefully, and look at the hebrew/aramaic, you will see that the angel of the Lord ( the son, also called the Lord) appears to Moses in a burning bush, as Elohim (God- all 3 ) interact with moses. When Moses asked the name of who will send him to the ISraelites, Elohim replies again, indicating a different identity from the angel of the Lord, and indicating that "all 3" are involved.
The fiery serpent issue in the reference is interesting...but the actual word for serpent is natash, not seraph. The word seraph just is a descriptive word for fiery. To describe God's angels as fiery serpents would be a misinterpretation of the intended meaning. The seraph were just fiery winged beings, and the fiery aspect was to show the power of God.
So Yahweh is a separate identity from Elohim, and Yahweh (angel of the Lord) is not really an angel, since if God shows up personally, then an angel ( messenger) is not needed. "angel of the Lord" is a title given to the son, who presided over the angels in heaven and led the hosts of heaven in battle. It is actually translated Malak Yahweh. If it was to be interpreted as an angel that belonged to God as a servant, possession, etc....it would be Malak shel yahweh (Yahweh's angel). The "shel" shows possession. Malak Yahweh is someone's name, not a job title of one of God's servants.
2007-11-28 07:39:27 · answer #2 · answered by Angel wings 4 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Separate. Several answers are right on the money. Yahweh = Gods name, Elohim = plural for gods
2007-11-28 10:45:55 · answer #3 · answered by ruriksson 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes, they are the same God. God calls Himself the LORD or GOD, which mean "Jehovah". He also called Himself "I Am" (that's one of my favourite names....so powerful). God has many names - some of them, He used to describe Himself, and some of them were "given" from the Jews - El Elohim, El Shaddai, Jehovah Rapha, Jehovah Jirah (I'm sure that is spelled wrong....sorry!), etc. Each of these names is in recognition or praise of a different attribute of God. For example, Jehovah Rapha means "The Lord our Helper", I believe. There are many names that describe Him but they are all the same God.
It's kinda like how I have lots of different names from different people: Val, Mrs. My Last Name (not sharing that one, sorry!), Mommy, sis, sweetie, etc. These are all my names, they just describe different "aspects" of who I am: wife, mom, sister, daughter, friend, youth pastor's wife and Sunday school teacher (occasionally!).
But the Bible is clear that there is only one true God, even though He has a few different names.
2007-11-28 09:15:49 · answer #4 · answered by Blue Eyed Christian 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Yahweh is the personal name of the Hebrew God, who is at present the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims.
El is the Hebrew word for God, all gods were called Elim (plural for El) even those Pagan Gods the Hebrews knew at the early days of Hebrew monotheism.
2007-11-28 07:00:06 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
Yes, Yahweh and Elohim are One and the same. In the bible God has many names. One of His names is Elohim which means Creator. I have done an extensive study on the names of God and what I learned was that God's different names are different facets of who He is like Creator. Jehovah-raah- meaning the Lord is our Shepherd. Jehovah-jireh-meaning the Lord who heals and so on and so forth.
2007-11-28 07:16:39 · answer #6 · answered by biggestjesusfan, † Cat P.W. † 4 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Elohim is a plural. As in more than one God. Can't be the same can it?
2007-11-28 07:00:43 · answer #7 · answered by ? 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
No, LDS doctrine believes that Elohim is the father and that Yahweh (Jehovah) is the son, Christ.
2007-11-28 06:57:41 · answer #8 · answered by Mike B 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋
I think that I need to study the word a lot more because I am ignorant on this subject. Thanks for the link!
2007-11-30 08:56:20 · answer #9 · answered by nocateman 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yep - two seperate and distinct personages.
2007-11-28 08:56:34 · answer #10 · answered by Cinthia Round house kicking VT 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋