Jehovah's Witnesses?

Question

We are taught the the New Testament was written primarily to the anointed and the scriptures that talk about heavenly life don't apply to those of us who are of the great crowd.

So, my question is How do I know which scriptures in the NT apply to me and which ones don't.

Matthew 28:19, 20 says "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit"

Wouldn't it be safe to assume that this scripture doesn't apply to me and therefore I don't have to spend hours out in service every month.After all Jesus was speaking to the 11 apostles at this time.

Or whose to say that the scripture at Hebrews 10:24,25 applies to me, If you look at verse 19,20 you will see that Paul was speaking to those who had a heavenly calling.

So, maybe I don't have to attend meetings 5 times a week. Maybe this is only the responsibility of the anointed.

How do you know these scriptures apply to you?

Oh and please do not say you should go talk to your elders.

If you don't want to answer the question, DON'T.

Moises, You DID NOT answer the question. I am aware of everything you just pointed out, but how do these scripture apply to us, when we are not apart of that group?

Anthea, I see you put EVERYONE in capital letters. But by doing so you either proved that everyone goes to heaven or you just contradicted the WATCHTOWER which teaches us that those BORN FROM GOD are only the 144,000.

*** w98 2/15 p. 13 par. 6 Jehovah Brings Many Sons to Glory ***

6 Those begotten by Jehovah are “born from God.” Addressing such individuals, the apostle John wrote: “Everyone who has been born from God does not carry on sin, because His [Jehovah’s] reproductive seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice sin, because he has been born from God.” (1 John 3:9) This “reproductive seed” is God’s holy spirit. Working in conjunction with his word, it has given each of the 144,000 “a new birth” to a heavenly hope

Hannah J Paul


Your use of Matthew 25:40 does not even apply in this situation.
Also you say one should not be limping on two different opinions, by doing so you just explained my point. Isn’t it limping on two different opinions to assume that one scripture applies to me and another does not.

Also, How am I NOT loving my neighbor? I never said the scripture didn’t apply to me, I just said how is it that am supposed to believe that these scriptures apply to me and yet others do not.

You put 2 Timothy 3:16,17 which says ALL Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

No where does the Bible give evidence that it is divided, whereas some scripture apply to the great crowd and others only apply to the 144,000.

If Hebrews 10:24,25 applies to me. Why don't verses 19,20 apply to me?

JC, you make this statement as if I ask alot of question. I have only ask 3 questions of Jehovah's Witnesses so far. And each time instead of an ANSWER I receive a "talk".

For Instance note the question above.

"How do you know these scriptures apply to you?"

I always ask PERSONAL questions to you all and instead of getting a PERSONAL answer, I get a bunch of Watchtower Lingo.

This is done not only on my questions, but other questions that are asked of JW's. 98% of the answer will be the same. Noone gives there own view. I used to do the same thing when I didn't know an answer, I looked to the Watchtower Library.

If I wanted the Watchtowers answer I would go there. I simply ask questions to see if I am the only Jehovah's Witness who notices error or contradiction.

Honestly I was going to give Best Answer to Abdijah, because so far he is the only WITNESS, in my opinion, who gave a RESONABLE answer to the question.

Answer 1

Jesus was speaking to those who were to be annointed when he said: "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

Did you note he said to make disciples out of people of all the nations? These would be both of the annointed as well as those not annointed.

He said to teach "them to observe all the things I have commanded you." That would include the command to "go ... make disciples."

So although the command applied originally to the annointed, within that command itself is the basis for extending it to all who would do Jehovah's will.

Likewise with Hebrews 10:24, 25. This would be included for ALL disciples, because it is indirectly from Christ, as he is head of the Congregation and that command was inspired by Jehovah, and Jesus as head enforces Jehovah's commands.

Rather than be overly concerned about picking apart our beliefs, perhaps it would be more beneficial for all to assure that they are doing God's will. (Matthew 7:21; 1 John 2:17)

Answer 2

Dear Sasi
Do make sure that you check the things you are taught with a normal Bible.

In Mark 16:15 Jesus tells the eleven disciples to:

'Go and proclaim the gospel (the good news) into all the world to the whole creation.
Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
...20. And they went out and preached everywhere, ...'

We are told that many are called but few are chosen. I believe one reason that they
are not chosen is because they don't want to do things the way God asks.

The Bible teaches that Jesus will return to set up his kingdom on earth, there is not this strange idea of different classes of believers.

Don't be disheartened by anything negative.
Read the scriptures for yourself. See Isaiah 40:10,11; 52:7-10; 65:17. That last reference is so worth reading.

There is a wonderful hope in the scriptures and through the grace of God it is offered to everyone.

Answer 3

It is true that Jesus was speaking to his eleven apostles at that time when he was telling them to make disciples of people of all nations. This text applies to everyone! Paul wrote to the Romans in Romans 10:13,14 saying that how would someone be saved if someone doesn't preach to them? And in verse 15 it says "how comely are the geet of those who declare the good news of good things!" Don't you think that if Paul was to write this letter to all the Romans, don't you think that it applies to us as well? In Matthew 24:14 says that "the good news of the kingdome will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come". How would 144,000 people will be able to do that? Also, Jesus says that the last days will be just like the days of Noah. He says in chapter 24 and 25 that people will be preaching and that many will turn against it. If Noah and his family preached, why can't we?
Now talking about Hebrews 10:24, 25. To reunite like a congregations is an essencial part of our devotion to God. It has always been that way with early christians. In the book of Acts, it reveals to us that being together is an important step. In Acts 2:46, 47. It also applys to everyone because in John 17:3 says that those who have exact knowlege of God and of his son Jesus will have eternity. Here, it dosen't apply only to those who will have the heavenly calling. It goes for everyone.
In Psalms 37:10,11 says that "the meek one themselves will posses the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace" Of course, here is talking about the future, but only the meek ones will possess the earth. and like i said before that John 17:3 says that only those who have knowledge will gain everlasting life. Where can we do that? By assisting to the congregations.
As we see, ALL scriptures of the bible is beneficial for ALL. That is what 2 Timothy 3:15-17 says. If this dosen't answer your question, let me know.

Answer 4

Revelation 22:17says: “The spirit and the bride keep on saying: ‘Come!’ And let anyone hearing say: ‘Come!’ and let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.” The “bride” is clearly identified in the Scriptures as the anointed Christian congregation, espoused to the heavenly Bridegroom, Christ Jesus. (Eph 5:25-27; 2Co 11:2; Re 19:7-9; 21:9-11) The invitation to “take life’s water free” presented by the heavenly “bride” class is obviously open to an unlimited number of persons, “anyone that wishes.”

Having accepted that invitation, being taught the truth and gaining accurate knowledge results in an obligation.
James 4:17  Therefore, if one knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.

Rev 7:9-15 After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands....they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night...

1 John 5:1-3 5 EVERYONE believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and EVERYONE who loves the one that caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one. 2 By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God, when we are loving God and doing his commandments. 3 For THIS IS WHAT THE LOVE OF GOD MEANS, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome.


So the great crowd are moved with love for Jehovah and are obligated to share the truth with others along with the Anointed class.

Answer 5

"Wouldn't it be safe to assume that this scripture doesn't apply to me and therefore I don't have to spend hours out in service every month.After all Jesus was speaking to the 11 apostles at this time."

The answer is No.

Without the help of th earthly class, the preaching work would not get done as it is today.


"Or whose to say that the scripture at Hebrews 10:24,25 applies to me, If you look at verse 19,20 you will see that Paul was speaking to those who had a heavenly calling."

Paul was speaking to those with the Heavenly calling, but it also applies to us too. Why? Because we still all gather in one congregation. And if we are gathering, then we should apply these scriptures to ourselves.


Update:

No one is saying the scriptures are divided.

Update:
Anthea was right about using 1 John 5:1-3,5.

We are all Sons of God, be we are not all adoptive sons of God, which the anointed are. Job 1:6 calls the angels of God his sons, but they are not all begotten sons of God.

So Anthea was right for using this verse.

Update:


I have a question, What you are truly trying to do?

I don't have a problem with you asking questions, but its the way you're asking them. I've seen many Witnesses on here answer your questions the best way possible, but after the question is resolved, you give the best answer to a anti-Jehovah's Witnesses, without acknowledging the answer we gave you.

This is why people are asking you "are you truly one of Jehovah's Witnesses".. And again, its not because of the questions you're asking, its how you asking them.

I'm not trying to be mean but I just find it odd.

UPDATE:

No, I'm not saying as if you were asking a lot of questions.

You're saying that we don't give our own views on the question, which is not true. We're only showing you what the Bible is talking about, but you didn't want to accept our answers.

I know which scriptures apply to me and which scriptures to not, just for the fact that I am not of the anointed. If I'm associated with certain things like in Hebrews 10:24,25, then I know these scriptures apply to me. If you were at the Bible study for the past 2 months or so, you will know the scriptures you stated applied to not only the Heavenly Class but the earthly class as well.

You just have to consider all the factors thats stated in the, and then meditating upon them.

Update:

Witnesses are on here all the time, and the best way to answer questions about our faith is to point them to a watchtower article. And just because some of the Witnesses do it, doesn't mean they can't answer the question on their own.


Update:

Simon Peter, thats wrong. When Jesus was on earth, he and his followers preached about the Kingdom of God, and thats exactly what we are doing.

Take a look at Matthew 24:14
"And this good news of the kingdom..."

As you can see, it says the good news OF THE KINGDOM will be preached throughout the world, but the only ones that are preaching about the Kingdom are the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Sorry, but most of what you said was inaccurate.

Answer 6

2 Timothy 3:16, 17 should give you a hint. Matthew 25:40 should give you another.

And I think it very possible that you personally can assume you should not be out in the public ministry. Because the command does not apply to you? No. Because of 1 Kings 18:21. The one limping upon two different opinions cannot obey Matthew 28:19 and 20; neither can that one obey Matthew 24:14 because that one's heart is unsteady, unsure and indecisive. How can that one teach anybody anything when that one vacillates on whether the teaching is true or applicable?

As for meetings, you do not have to attend them. You do not have to do anything you don't want to do. You never did. Your reasoning reflects that used by the certain man versed in the law at Luke 10:29. You will recall this account about the neighborly Samaritan. Verse 29 reports that the man versed in the law wanted to "prove" himself righteous. He really was not overly concerned about whether he was truly on the road to gaining eternal life. He wanted to show Christ that he was doing enough. He wanted to prove his righteousness.

So he asked Christ Jesus: "who really is my neighbor?" Because, of course, his attitude was that loving one's neighbor only applied to his fellow Jews. This attitude is made obvious by the illustration that followed. I am sure you recall it. About the Jew who was robbed and lay beaten. Two of his fellow Jews passed him by without a care. You might want to review the illustration to remind yourself of the details. Then Christ finished up with the question: "Which of these men does it seem to you to have MADE HIMSELF neighbor to the man that fell among the thieves?" Almost begrudgingly, the man replied: "The one that acted mercifully." Who acted mercifully? The Samaritan. Samaritans, you will recall, were hated by the Jews. And Jesus told the man versed in the law: "go your way and be doing the same yourself."

What is the application in the present case? Perhaps you are not genuinely concerned about which scriptures apply to the great crowd, but rather, you are more concerned about proving your conduct is already "righteous" – already acceptable in its own right without having to apply any other scriptures which you seem to question at every turn.

Christian meetings are a merciful provision from God. They educate, refresh and encourage us. They are a blessing. All of God's provisions act like a seatbelt – not a straitjacket.

Sharing the good news of the kingdom with others in the ministry is a blessing for the hearer as well as the one sharing the good news. Do you think Noah built that Ark by himself? Or don't you realize that his family helped him? Eight people built that Ark. How many survived the Flood? (eight).

Hannah J Paul

Answer 7

The Mosaic Law , is that applied to you or to the Israelites? If the Mosaic Law is applied to you then you are still under that Law.

1 Tim 5:3 states “Honor widows that are actually widows”. Now are the widows here “NOT” actually widows?

Gal 5:28 states “28 In this way husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies”

Is that command for husbands, also for the wives?

We all benefit and learn from ALL these scriptures. It doesn’t mean that ALL Bible commands should apply to ALL persons

Answer 8

Well i am not a Jehovah"s witness but a Christan and what i will say is that the bible is the word of God that he wants you to read and learn from you don't really need someone to be pin putting everything to you.All you have to do before you read the bible is pray to the Holy Spirit to give you understanding to his word and you read am sure the Lord will help you and please you works can never be in vain it is recorded in the book of life

Answer 9

Here is a reasonable answer. We are Christians. We follow Jesus Christ himself. What did he do? Preached, met at the temple or at the synagogue (no meetings back then).

I hope that makes sense, without all the non-sense. But my question to you is: Why are you still answering other questions in this forum as a Jehovah's Witness when you obviously have serious problems with their "Watchtowery" teaching? Please stop.

Answer 10

I hope you don't mind an answer from someone who was almost a JW, but by the grace of God, I was able to see the light before becoming fully ensnared by their theology.

I wanted to respond to your question because I felt exactly the same way when I was debating as to whether I should become a Witness or not. The Bible says we must be born of water and spirit - but the JW's told me to ignore the "born of spirit",- that didn't apply to me - but the "born of water" (baptism) DID apply to me. It's all in the same verse - John 3:5 - so how could one part apply, but not the other??? Also, I didn't feel right about NOT eating the bread or drinking the wine at the Lord's Supper - if it's supposed to be for a memorial or remembrance, shouldn't everyone remember Jesus in that way? Why should you even attend if you're just going to "pass" anyway?

I asked the very question then that you're asking now, and I didn't get any better answers than you're getting.