As already said, it is not. Neither is dinosaur, because it talks of them with things such as dragons, leviathan, and beheemoth. The teaching IS there though...
You have to remember that Trithiesms are a subset of polythiestic pantheons. Trithiesms such as those in the Hindu Greek panetheons were not actual triads. You won't find one trithiesm where the members of that pantheon subset consisted of two or more individual entities that were of equal nature. Nor will you find a tritheism consisting two or more individuals who manifested one entity such as the Trinity teaches. Members of pagan pantehons were often not omnipresent, omnipotent, had a beginning, were capricious, etc. Nothing even remotely close to the Hebrew-Christian teachings of the Trinity. The ECF's were strongly opposed against Greek pagan teachings and could have not possibly made an amalagalm of Christian and pagan teachings. Also, you have to remember that to invent the Trinity is beyond the capacity of man or even Satan. Man cannot possibly concieve of the inconcievable. Man cannot concieve of anything nonintellegible or beyond the physical relm that exists outside of the five senses (sight, hearing, taste, touch, smell). Therefore, the Trinity has to exist outside of man's capacity to invent concepts.
The fact pagan concepts predate a Biblical concept doesn't demonstrate that concept to be unscriptural or borrowed. I would submit that Pagan concepts are nothing more than a distortion of the truth as opposed to being the other way around. After all no lie exists which cannot be said to be finite. If the Antitrin/Unitarian logic were consistent, then they should dismiss their own beliefs as being pagan in origin. Please allow me to explain. Before Moses was born, there was a Pharoah who ruled in Egypt named Ahkenton. King Ahkenton destroyed every statue and image of every Egyptian deity except for the Sun God Horus. This means that Ahkenton promoted monotheistic Unitarian worship before Moses was born. Therefore, since Moses wrote the Pentatuch or the first five books of scripture (Gen-Deu) this means that this took place well before the Bible was written. If Unitarian logic were consistent, they shoud reject their own beliefs since a pagan promoted monothiestic antitrinitarian worship prior to the writing of scripture. Bible-bashing professing Athiests and Agnostics often make much of the fact there were flood and creation stories which were written prior to the writing of scripture. And because of that fact, they use the same logic that well-intended Unitarians use. The faulty logic that a pagan concept exists prior to a Christian concept demonstrates the Christian concept was borrowed from paganism. Sadly, such logic ultimately leads to unbelief of scripture as a whole.
We will never be able to wrap our minds around God and understand Him, but think of time. Time is endless, it goes on forever just as God does, but, the difference is God is outside of time. He created time. He created all. Looking at time though, we have three distinct, separate parts: past, present, and future. Together each makes up time. They are not different beings/entities; they are all components of time, just different parts of it. You can't have one without the other, and you can't take away one without destroying time.
This is far different than pagan triad gods, or what people imagine of the Trinity even if they don't know or understand pagan gods. In the pagan triad, you could take away one, and have no effect on the other two, they would still be gods, in fact, there would be a god that had been a god longer than the others and so forth. With the Trinity, and not to make it too simple and watered down, if you took away one, it would be like taking the legs off a person, the arms, the eyes, etc. They are all in one, and without one part of it, the Godhead would not function the same. We are similar in our body make-up. We have the outward flesh and moving parts. We have the inner organs that make those things work controlled by the brain. Then we have our thoughts which we use to speak words, eat to sustain life and know where to find that food, and so forth. You cannot survive or exist without any of those three parts, and one cannot live outside of the other. Let's look at some scripture shall we?
1John 4:12
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
In this verse we see that no man has seen God at any time. Pretty plain and simple right? In fact, we are told in other places how if you see God, you would surely die. Alright, now look…
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 18:1
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
These are just two verses in which God clearly appears to men, and they see Him. Not an angel of the Lord, as some would say. If it were an angel of the Lord, it would say "In the name of the Lord" or "Thus saith the Lord" the in conversation we see later in the chapters. That does not happen. There are of course more verses that show this type of thing. WHAT? Is there a contradiction? Seems like it right? This is a common scenario you would encounter with faiths like Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, and more that deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Seems a bit overwhelming at the onset, and many people are flustered by this. Don't give up, let's keep looking.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Word here is Jesus Christ. Often people will point at the Bible and say that is the Word….but that's actually the Word of God, totally different. Jesus Christ is the Word, much in the same way as your thoughts are a part of you that allow you to speak and be heard. It says plainly, that in the beginning He was there. That in itself tells us He had no beginning, no start, He is eternal. He was not created, as some people would like to have you believe, He was there from the beginning. It goes further to tell us that He was God. So from the onset, before anything, Jesus was God. Now we're getting somewhere.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, ) full of grace and truth.
Here we see where Jesus was made into flesh. This of course was through the Holy Spirit. That being the case, the Holy Spirit cannot be an "active force" or creation, or anything else people try to make Him into. Something created, or a force could do nothing to plant the seed for the fleshly form of Jesus Christ. It is impossible. We have already seen that Jesus Christ is God as well, and something below Him could not possibly incarnate Him into flesh. The Holy Spirit, thus, is also God. Hmm, getting warmer aren't we? This was when Jesus was planted into Mary to become flesh and bones just like us, to walk among us, and ultimately to pay the price for our sins. It also addresses the Father, and Jesus His begotten Son. We can see now the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All clearly defined as God. Different functions, but all of the same, because:
Isaiah 42:8
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."
This act is sharing in God's glory, which would not be permissible unless they were actually God. So then, we see there are three distinct, different parts of God that make up God. So how did these people see God? Because, in the appearances of the Old Testament, it was Jesus Christ. This is referred to as a theophany, an appearance of God. This was before He was incarnated into flesh for His ministry on Earth. He could appear, and as God, He would be able to meet face to face with man. Man would not be consumed as he would if it were God in all His Glory. That would, of course, be too much for us to handle, and then we would die. So, God was able to appear in the form of Jesus Christ who took on an appearance of man, but was not yet flesh and blood.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah prophesied here about Jesus becoming flesh and blood. Notice, He says He would be called the Mighty God and everlasting Father. This man was a devout Jew. He knew exactly who God was and worshipped only one God. In fact, God Himself was inspiring him to write and make prophecy. Clearly, Isaiah would never call someone these names if He were not one in the same as the God of the Old Testament, YHWH, or Yahweh. Furthermore, God would not have allowed him to write it! Further proof, Jesus is God and there is a Trinity that makes up this Godhead.
Now that may leave one asking, "Why did Jesus say the Father is greater than him?" or "Why did Jesus pray to the Father?" Let's take a look at another verse…
Philippians 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Here we see where Jesus emptied Himself for a little while. This does not mean that He got rid of any of His attributes as God. You would deny His deity to say so. He was still God in every way, but He came to be a servant versus stern ruler and use His power over men. As a man He had to show us the way, He revealed the Father to us and how to talk to Him and come before Him. The Father was in Heaven, Jesus was God, but came to earth for His ministry. That's how He emptied Himself. He left all glory in Heaven and came here. When He says the Father is greater, it is because the Father is in Heaven in glory, and he (Jesus) was here. He was fully man, and fully God, He just did not exercise all His Godly powers as He came to serve and to save.
That's the Trinity in a nutshell on Jesus' behalf with Biblical proof. To deny the divinity of Jesus, and deny that He is God as is the Father and the Holy Spirit, is to deny God all together.
2007-11-27 19:34:01
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answered by green93lx 4
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No, you wont find it anywhere. infact the revised standrd version (RSV) which is revied by 32 scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 co-operating denomination, have thrown out this verse from the bible saying its a FABRICATION, INTERPO;ATION AND CONCOCTION!!!
Thats because jesus said:
i) "My Father is greater than I."
[The Bible, John 14:28]
(ii) "My Father is greater than all."
[The Bible, John 10:29]
(iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
(iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]
(v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
[The Bible, John 5:30]
Gospel of Mathew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
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"… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
[The Bible, John 14:24]
(ii)
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
[The Bible, John 17:3]
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
i)
"I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
(ii)
"I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]
(iii)
"I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]
(i)
Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]
(ii)
A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:
"Thou shalt have none other gods before me."
"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
GOD IS ONE,WITHOUT PARTNER. I WONDER WHERE HUMANS CAME UP WITH THE TRNITIY AND INSERTED IT INTO THE BIBLE.
2007-11-28 06:46:05
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answer #10
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answered by qs 3
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