Why do Catholics arrogantly repeat their own propaganda and expect all other faiths to naively accept it?

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The Nestorians
The Orthodox - cheifly the other 4 pariarchs
The non-protestants
The Protestants
The Christian Churches that have always existed outside of Roman control

These groups all know their own history. But the Catholic Church keeps on telling us who we are, where we came from, and that we need to submit to them. Where do these late comers (the Catholics) get off?

It is not as if we do not have our own documents, knowledge of world history, knowledge of Catholic History, and our own traditions.

he who cannot sleep - thanks for proving my point about the arrogance. Please post again. You are truly helpful.

Cathy - search the independent history of nations and the history of the Catholic Church to discover when it made it's appearance in their territory. Then study the activity of Christianity in that geographical region.

You will notice in every case the existence of Christians who were independent of Rome.

What you need to try is an unabridged Church History. It is an eye opener.

Ninja Turtle AM - is our tradition of asking Catholics to repent of their sins and baptizing them a Catholic tradition? This tradition is 1757 years old.

Cathy - you act as if that because you studied in upteen schools that makes you more educated than everyone else, and they insist that you have exhausted the historical matieral we are discussing.

I know you feel strongly, but you are now bordering on the absurd. You have not made a single reference to an unbiased source or idea. All of your references are catholic biased.

FYI - there are a whole lot of other historical writers who have a different and valid view of Church History.

Answer 1

My beliefs sure didn't come out of mama!

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." Colossians 2:8

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Ninja Turtle AM, the Word of God never has nor never will come out of the catholic church. In fact, it was the catholic church who was killing people off who were not willing to submit to the propaganda and lies of the vatican, and read from the books that they call the Holy Bible.

That's why today you have these little make up stories claiming King James was homosexual in hopes of discrediting the Bible, AV1611.

In fact, the King James Bible is the only Bible in existed that does not have the "blessings" of the vatican. And, it is against State Law for a catholic to own or have anything to do with the King James Bible.

Cathy, you say that you took grad courses in theology from very credible, nonbiased sources. Would you be willing to tell us the name(s) of this college?

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When did Notre Dame, being a catholic University, become an "nonbiased" resource?

Does Notra Dame still teach classes on Buddhism or how to be one?

And UCC, Universal Unitarians don't even believe that Jesus was the Christ or that he wasn't the only way to heaven. Sure, I'll believe they offer only "nonbiased" information when you can convince me that Jesus was only a man.

I can name a few other Christian colleges but thats beside the point. These colleges have something that your Universities can never state: They are not dictated by state and/or federal goverment as to what they teach. Nor do they accept money from the state or federal goverment. Therefore, allowing these Christian schools to be nonbiased with the Word of God--only teaching from the Word of God--and leaving the worldly veiwpoint of the Bible with the world. You will never be able to say that about California State University and California State Community College systems, Butte College, Harvard, Yale, USF, Columbia, Notre Dame, University of Chicago, Tuben, Emory, Loyola, Princeton, etc.

The World Council of Churches, and the World Council of Reformed Churches is all ran by the vatican.

The Word of God is the least of the concerns of any of the Universities that you mention. Now, which one of these Universities are we suppose to believe teaches "the" Word of God without biase opinion?

And last but by no means least, which one of the Universities have you attended that you are hoping is accredited in the eyes of God? Base on the Bible and the Bible alone, we both know that answer, 0.

I can show you some that are!

Answer 2

The “first church” is the church that is recorded in the New Testament, especially in the Book of Acts and the Epistles of Paul. The New Testament church is the “original church” and the “one true church.” We can know this because it is described, in great detail, in Scripture. The church, as recorded in the New Testament, is God’s pattern and foundation for His church. On this basis, let’s examine the Roman Catholic claim that it is the “first church.” Nowhere in the New Testament will you find the “one true church” doing any of the following: praying to Mary, praying to the saints, venerating Mary, submitting to a pope, having a select priesthood, baptizing an infant, observing the ordinances of baptism and the Lord’s Supper as sacraments, or passing on apostolic authority to successors of the apostles. All of these are core elements of the Roman Catholic faith. If most of the core elements of the Roman Catholic Church were not practiced by the New Testament Church (the first church and one true church), how then can the Roman Catholic Church be the first church? A study of the New Testament will clearly reveal that the Roman Catholic Church is not the same church as the church that is described in the New Testament.

Answer 3

LOL!
Can't you take out "Catholics' out of your question and put"I"?

Are you then ready to accept the Assyrian Orthodox Catholic Church of the East"Nestorians' and the Eastern Orthodox and their Catholic teachings on the Eucharist, the saints,the Sacraments,Apostolic Tradition and 'faith without works is dead as Christian?

Sorry, friend, but the Protestants are the latecomers(some later than others,of course) not the Catholics.

I am glad that you acknowledge that you have 'our own traditions" through which lens you interpret the Bible and through which you sift realities.
God bless and may we all pray for each other.

Answer 4

Jesus is not Baptist, catholic, Pentecostal etc Jesus is Lord.
Pray for the catholics to learn about the Lords true grace. No we don't need to submit to the catholic church Christians need to be submitting our authority and will to the Lord Jesus Christ and He must increase and we must decrease this is called dying to self and living for Christ see John 3:30 God bless you e4g

Answer 5

Actually you fail to mention alot of history:

Nestorians existed for less then 100 years, they Schismed in 460 (I think) and unified with the Assyrian Church by 530 (which was under Roman control) and gave up all Nestorian doctrine (which was heretical according to the Councils).

The Orthodox Patriarchs were Archbishops and the Pope claimed primacy over them. Even the Orthodox Churches (after the schism in 1054) stated that the Pope held at least Honorary primacy as the Bishop of Rome (their argument was if he had the authority to change council decision not that the Bishop of Rome wasn't the first among equals.)

Protestants and non-protestants. Any Protestant theologian will tell you their history before the reformation was Catholic history. Non-Protestants are Catholics and Orthodox. Non-denominationals are a movement within American Protestantism after the 1950's prior to that they were under various Protestant Control and prior to the reformation the Protestant were under, guess what Roman Control..

A good Christian History (or even secular history class) divided into 500 year segments (since there is alot to cover) would do you good.


EDIT: I have. Simple fact though there were various communities they all identified themselves as ONE Church. My undergrad major was International Relations: political and economic development with a Religious Studies minor and I am a grad student in Theolgy. I have taken ALOT of history (both independent country and religious), from very credible, nonbiased sources. Can you say the same? The first encylical from a Bishop of Rome as leader of the Christian communities was by Clement I in 88 AD to ALL Christian communities. Why because they ALL held Rome as Primate, the "First among Equals." Same doctrine of the Pope today. Pretty arrogant of you to repeat your propaganda and expect others to believe it over every religious Phd, DD, MDiv, MAPT, or MTS. I also note you cannot say anything about the missing history that you left out. Why because it is all true.

What you need to try is a REAL history course work.

EDIT: shjOlds_442 most of my undergrad minor and history was done in the California State University and California State Community College systems (particularly Butte College http://www.butte.edu/instruction/hist/courses/index.html and CSU Chico http://www.csuchico.edu/rs/index.html ) this is where I took most of my religious studies minor classes including History of Christian thought, . I transferred to Idaho State University which is where I took alot of my secular history including medieval political and economic history, Latin American History, African History, Middle East History and Politics.http://www.isu.edu/academic-info/current/arts/ahistory.html

Grad Theology courses are through Notre Dame http://theology.nd.edu/ , BUT I have also taken seminar and summer courses through the Graduate Theological Union (non-denominational) at the Pacific School of Religion (Berkley, Ca) which serves as a seminary for such churches as the UMC, the UCC, Universal Unitarians, fellowship of community Metropolitan Churches (non denominational) it has a training program for something like 25 or 26 Church organizations including non-Christian Buddhist, Islam, Jewish, Pagan. http://www.psr.edu/page.cfm?l=3

You can read course descriptions on the course description and school information on the websites. So answer yes I am willing to share my credentials. Want my complete CV?

Edit: As I stated only one of my attended colleges was Catholic and I never claimed my Notre Dame Education was unbaised. What I did claim was the 3 secular State Colleges were (which is where I said I took most of my history (but of course you ignore that because it does not suit your agenda)). And one was a Non Denominational seminary and unbiased. AND EXCUSE ME SINCE WHEN HAS THE UCC. UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST NOT BEEN CHRISTIAN? Why that is news to me, the UCC, the World Council of Churches, and the World Council of Reformed Churches.

THE WEST COAST BAPTIST COLLEGE?! WHAT A JOKE THAT IS NOT EVEN AN ACCREDITED COLLEGE!

Yes my PhD and DD Professors came from Harvard, Yale, USF, Columbia, Notre Dame, University of Chicago, Tuben, Emory, Loyola, Princeton, USC, UC Davis, Claremont, Chapel Hill. I can see how I would get a better and more unbaised education at an unaccredited college from Rick Houk who got his BRE (that is a Bachelors for petesake, what is someone doing teaching a college with only a Bachelors, let alone a department chair) at the Baptist Bible College in Clark Summit PA. It all makes perfect sense. PFFFTTTT.

Answer 6

WHY?

The Catholic Church is of God. Your cause, whatever that is, is not Divine in origin. Therefore, in time it will die with all the other ill-fated causes that oppose God's True Church.

Bye, bye!

Answer 7

All religions are based in propaganda. If they do not brainwash the humans, they either kill them or call them a child of devil.

I know my history, I know the truth and I do not need religion or anything else to get in between what my eyes see.

Religions make their believers to be slaves.

Answer 8

Now you know how the rest of the world feels about Christians, the lot of you.

Answer 9

These group, as you mentioned, got their book from the catholics, defaced it then claim they are right while the catholics are wrong ......

Your tradition, as you call it, is an offshoot from the catholics.

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Yes and Yes

Answer 10

because that's the fact! the catholic church lords over all the other religion, christians and non. the catholic church rules!