Jehovah's Witnesses: which verses say that Jesus was a created being?

Answer 1

JWs believe that Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God, our King and Lord and Savior, the Christ, the Word, and was born of virgin birth thru Mary. Jesus is the Son of God who became flesh. Jesus as the Word has been with God in the beginning. John 1:1 didn’t say that the Word, is “BEFORE the Beginning” but used the word “IN”, thus bound by that time, which is the “in the beginning”.

Here are the Bible texts that prove that Jesus was created.

1.
John 5:26 states “For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to HAVE LIFE in himself”.
John 6:57 – “… and I LIVE because of the Father”.
Life (eternal life and life to exist) was given by the Father to Jesus, the Son.
2. For Trinitarians, the Son and Father relationship has no beginning. But Heb 1:5, that the Son and Father relationship has a beginning. Notice it uses the words “today” and “I have become”
In Heb 1:5 it states "You are my son; I, TODAY, I have become your father"?.

3. Here’s another Bible text that proves that the Father created Jesus. Notice it uses the words “This day” and begotten/made to prove that the Son has a beginning.
Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten(Gennao) thee. Acts 13:33

The word begotten in Greek is gennao. It means “to be born” –Strong’s dictionary defines this as procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be BORN, BRING FORTH, conceive, be delivered of, gender, MAKE, spring.

At Acts 13:33, it states the Father “has MADE/BRING FORTH” the Son. This verse talks about the relationship of God to his Son whom he MADE/BROUGHT FORTH (Gennoa).

4. We have to note that Jesus calls his Father, My God. www.dictionary.com defines God also as “one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe”
, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’” - John 20:17
So basically, Jesus said “My God” means “My Supreme Being and CREATOR”



5. Rev 3:14, Jesus is called the “beginning of the CREATION of/by God”.

Jesus being the first or beginning is also qualified (Rev 3:14) . The God the Father is the Beginning and the End, but he is never called, “, the beginning of the creation BY/OF God” only Jesus is called that term. This term can be properly understood as “of the CREATION BY God, Jesus is the beginning”. This basically means Jesus is still part of the CREATION, notice the term OF THE CREATION BY GOD, eventhough he is the beginning, ruler, etc.

When someone says “Of the horses of the Smiths, this one is really fast”. The “one”, is still a horse, a member of that group, owned by the Smiths, and not a Smith. So when the Bible described Jesus as “of the creation by God” , it only means that Jesus is still a member “of the creation by God”.


6.PROVERBS 8:22: - 22 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago . The Hebrew word for produced/possessed (qanah – Strongs’ dictionary defines it as “erect, that is, create”.
Is the wisdom talked about in Prov 8 the LITERAL wisdom of God. No, because God has always wisdom. God’s wisdom has no beginning. If this is not the literal wisdom then it is the FIGURATIVE Wisdom. 1 Cor 1:24 states that “, Christ the power of God and the WISDOM of God.” So the Bible tells us that Jesus is the Wisdom of God, therefore we can relate that to Prov 8.
Prov 8:22 & 24 used the words produced/created (qanah) & brought forth/formed (chul See Deut 32:18) . These words describe that the figurative Wisdom of God (Christ) was CREATED/FORMED.
Well, one might say, the word “Wisdom” used in Prov 8 is in feminine form, therefore it can’t be Jesus. As I’ve said, the word “wisdom” in Prov 8 is figurative not the literal “wisdom” of God. 1 Pet 2:8 called Jesus the rock-mass (Greek petra which is also in feminine form), that doesn’t mean that Jesus is a woman.

7. Micah 5:2 describes Jesus as having an ORIGIN “ whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite”. The Hebrew word for the word “origin” is motsaah and according to Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary it is “family descent” A descent means “derivation from an ancestor; lineage; extraction”. God has no beginning, nor came/extracted /derived from anything.






8. Acts 2:36 states that God has MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ. The Lordship of Jesus has a beginning because it was MADE by God.

Answer 2

Every Verse that calls Jesus the 'only begotten'

The greek translated as 'only begotten' literally means

"only generated" or only created.

Look up the word begotten in an english dictionary and you will find "to be brought to life"

Col 1:15, Rev 3:14, Prov 8:22 are a few more.

John 1:18, the only begotten god, or created god.

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Answer 3

We say that every verse in our version of the bible says that Jesus was a created being. Every verse is understood by interpretation by the Elders.

Answer 4

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.

Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce´a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

Answer 5

There are none...

Migue:
Wow, where did you come up with that perversion of Micah 5:2? How do you justify that translation of עולם ?

No, I have BHS, which is infinitely preferable to the LXX which I also have... αι εξοδοι αυτου απ αρχης εξ ημερων αιωνος does sound a little closer to the new world perversion, but why would they try to get close to a translation instead of the original language text?

"From eternity" or "from of old" are both understood differently than "from early times, from the days of time indefinite." The nwt "translation" you posted leads one to think that Jesus was created as a forced conclusion. The other versions force no such conclusion.

What words in Acts 28 and John 1?

Alyssa: Notice all the [other] words in that post. The brackets indicate that the translators ADDED the words. Read it without them and see if it sounds like something different.

Answer 6

Sorry, I'm not JW but I would cite Col 1:15 and Rev 3:14.

Answer 7

Colossians 1:15

KJV...firstborn of every creation
Revised Standard...first-born of all creation
Phillips...born before creation
Today's English...the firstborn Son
New International...firstborn over all creation
New English...the primacy over all created things


Here you go...all from Bibles other than the one we have changed to say that.




EDIT...jugg: you cite John 1:1, 2 to support Jesus being God. If you truly examine that scripture, you'll see it actually helps us see Jesus as being lesser than God.

Answer 8

(John 1:1) In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

“Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God,” sang the psalmist. “Time indefinite” can refer to things that have an end but the duration of which has not been specified. (Exodus 31:16, 17; Hebrews 9:15) At Psalm 90:2 and elsewhere in the Hebrew Scriptures, though, “time indefinite” means “eternal.” (Ecclesiastes 1:4) Our minds cannot understand how it is possible that God has always existed. Yet, Jehovah had no beginning and will have no end. (Habakkuk 1:12) He will always be alive and ready to help us.

WHILE on earth, Jesus was a human, although a perfect one because it was God who transferred the life-force of Jesus to the womb of Mary. (Matthew 1:18-25) But that is not how he began. He himself declared that he had “descended from heaven.” (John 3:13) So it was only natural that he would later say to his followers: “What if you should see the Son of man [Jesus] ascend to where he was before?”—John 6:62, NJB.

Thus, Jesus had an existence in heaven before coming to the earth. But was it as one of the persons in an almighty, eternal triune Godhead? No, for the Bible plainly states that in his prehuman existence, Jesus was a created spirit being, just as angels were spirit beings created by God. Neither the angels nor Jesus had existed before their creation.

Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was “the first-born of all creation.” (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He was “the beginning of God’s creation.” (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition). “Beginning” [Greek, ar·khe′] cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the ‘beginner’ of God’s creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word ar·khe′ more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of “beginning.” Yes, Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God’s invisible creations.

Notice how closely those references to the origin of Jesus correlate with expressions uttered by the figurative “Wisdom” in the Bible book of Proverbs: “Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I came to birth; before he had made the earth, the countryside, and the first elements of the world.” (Proverbs 8:12, 22, 25, 26, NJB) While the term “Wisdom” is used to personify the one whom God created, most scholars agree that it is actually a figure of speech for Jesus as a spirit creature prior to his human existence.

As “Wisdom” in his prehuman existence, Jesus goes on to say that he was “by his [God’s] side, a master craftsman.” (Proverbs 8:30, JB) In harmony with this role as master craftsman, Colossians 1:16 says of Jesus that “through him God created everything in heaven and on earth.”—Today’s English Version (TEV).

So it was by means of this master worker, his junior partner, as it were, that Almighty God created all other things. The Bible summarizes the matter this way: “For us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things . . . and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.” (Italics ours.)—1 Corinthians 8:6, RS, Catholic edition.

It no doubt was to this master craftsman that God said: “Let us make man in our image.” (Genesis 1:26) Some have claimed that the “us” and “our” in this expression indicate a Trinity. But if you were to say, ‘Let us make something for ourselves,’ no one would normally understand this to imply that several persons are combined as one inside of you. You simply mean that two or more individuals will work together on something. So, too, when God used “us” and “our,” he was simply addressing another individual, his first spirit creation, the master craftsman, the prehuman Jesus.

Answer 9

May the peace and grace of God enlighten you,

In defence of the Orthodox Christian Faith which was once delivered to the saints it was want to reply here.
Please forgive me if my post is not welcome because I am not joined with those to whom the question was targetted.

Micah 5:2 reads...

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (KJV)

The DRB ends the verse, ...his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.

If you like Hebrew then the word עולם means always. In other words, Christ is eternally (ie always) begotten of the Father.

In Revelation 3:14 Christ says He is the beginning of the creation of God.

As St. Justin Martyr mentioned to Trypho in the 2nd century AD, St. John states clearly that, In the Beginning was the Word. (Remember that in the Greek there are no capitals.) In other words, Christ is the beginning. Just as He says in St. John 8:25 (DRB)...

They said therefore to him: Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The Beginning, who also speak unto you.

Likewise, we know that... In the beginning God created means that in Christ God created just as the Sacred Scriptures testifies that ALL things were made by (or through) Him (St. John 1:3).

Colossians 1:15-7 confirms that by Christ all things were made and He is before all because He is God the Son begotten of the Father before all ages. As He is eternally begotten there has never been a time when Christ did not exist as the heretic Arius has long ago been repudiated for saying. Christ is one with the Father even as a flame is one with it's light.

Proverbs 8 personifies wisdom (which is feminine) and it is not about God the Son.

Christians have always believed that Jesus Christ is the Son of God begotten of the Father before all ages, Light out of Light, True God out of True God.

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Thank you and hoped that assisted.

P.S. In St. John 3:13 Christ says He is in heaven while clearly on earth (DRB)...
And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven.

Answer 10

JESUS WAS WITH HIS GOD AND FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS

John 3:13-17; Jesus ascended back to God and no one ever went to
heaven, but Jesus who came down and went back. John 20:17;


John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the
only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me,
be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou
hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the
world.

JESUS IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF HIS GOD AND FATHER

Col.1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of
every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are
in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether
they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all
things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all
things, and by him all things consist.

1Cor.4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Anointed: Matt.3:16; 6:9-13; 13:37-39; 16:16; 22:37-40; 28:18;
Pray to Jehovah in Jesus name: John 14:13,14,28; 16:23,26;

THE BIBLE IS JEHOVAH'S WITNESS AND JESUS IS THE GREATEST WITNESS [ John 1:14 [ the word Heb.4:12; John 10:34-36 [ word is ours ];

Rev.1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Rev.3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness,
the beginning of the creation of God;