Religious ones: How many times do we have to ask the "prove it" question before you'll renounce your faiths.

Question

I know it's not "once" as you'd have all renounced your faith sometime in the last hour, I know its not a figure under 50 as accross the board we must've asked you to prove it 50 times today it's gotta be more than a good few hundred times as or you'd have kicked God into touch in the last week or so

Surely the "prove it" rant isn't futile? surely if we ask you enough times.......(sarcasm)

Can we improve/inspire the least of Atheists toward an actual exchange of ideas?

i expect a certain amount of resistance to the idea that more of us can do more than rant - but let me reiterate this question is not "proove god exists" far from it - if it were I would have used only three words in the question and they would have been the words 'exists' 'god' and 'proove'. Buff.x

BUDDING AUTHOR you ask with what goal in mind - Good!

BLUEDOGLONDONLAD - missed the point totally mate

GMC - The poitn i'm trying make is about the futility of attacking faith I hold no interest in destoryng your faith. I'm not an unbeliever I'm a Metaphysical Atheist.

LIVE MORE AMPLY - good to see you around again, question is aimed at refocusing time spent on "proove it"- aim being higher quality interaction. - good people should be about good things!

Answer 1

The number would be infinite.

Answer 2

I can't prove what you can't feel. You can't 'make' a depressed person happy. I can't make someone realize the obvious that they have never seen before. You can only point the way and allow them to look and listen. It takes a personal effort sometimes to even witness the most obvious.

Faith comes also, with experience. It is strengthened and reaffirmed. It's not about religious doctrine alone. It's more than a religion. It's a personal daily relationship and a life experience. Individuals can't experience joy for others. And, your lack of faith isn't a threat to mine. I'm not going hungry because you refuse to eat. Can you understand that?

Once you find a solid place to stand it doesn't matter what others call it. You know it's there. If atheists were as intelligent as they claimed to be then, maybe they would understand at least this much of the equation. But, if you can't (or refuse to) comprehend the basic addition and subtraction, why even bother with the more advanced formulas? You should choose a different debate.

But since you DO claim to be intelligent, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Let me put it to you this way; when you can dissolve the bases for my faith in God you will have an argument of substance. But, there's a catch. Once you truly investigate (that's the effort I talked about earlier, BUFF) and experience God's love, there will be no more room for debate. He loves you even if you don't believe in Him.

So, what you need to do is instead of wasting your precious time worrying about posing a challenge to other people's faith and happiness. You need to challenge yourself. So, stop being the kid who stays up and antagonizes his siblings because he can't sleep. Find some peace for yourself.

Until then. If all you have is a 'prove it' question then, keep counting...
(no sarcasm)

Answer 3

You think we need an exchange of ideas? With what aim in mind?
Religion and atheism are well beyond any reconciliation, how could there ever be any common ground!
'Proof' from either view point is not acceptable, there is none, and never could be.
As I have plenty of time on my hands I have (over the past couple of years) been trying to figure out as an atheist what would change my mind, think about it your self!
The most fantastic idea you could conjure up.
God coming to earth and instantaneously letting his presence be known throughout the world , giving us all a message. He is about to free the world of all sin, he will stop all suffering, etc etc!!
He actually does all these things, wouldn't that be enough to change the mind of a lot of atheists?
Not enough for me, I know there is no God I would prefer to believe a little green man from mars achieved this.
Conversely a little green man comes from mars and does the same trick, he also gives us a message telling us there is no God, we are here on earth becase they
the Martians put us here!
Would this stop folk believing in God?
I think not.
I have asked quite a few times on this forum for any suggestions as to what would make me change my mind, nothing so far, pity really it would make a good book
dont you think so?

Answer 4

Hi there.
How many times will I have to ask you to prove there isn't a God, before you accept faith?
You seem to think proof is an absolute value - but it isn't.
99.99% of all scientists have had faith in theories that they had proved, that have since been disproved by others. Proof is what you make it.

So again, prove to me there is no God. I can feel that presence like I can feel the heat of the sun even when my eyes are closed, how can I prove that to somebody who cannot feel it at all? Your question makes no sense.

Good luck, Steve.

Answer 5

Two questions: Why do you try so hard to destroy other people's faith? And why does your desire to disbelieve in anything you can't see or touch somehow discredit the evidence all the rest of us have already received?

It is funny. The most fun and challenging things to discuss for me are doctrinal. The issue of faith in the existence of God, is really, well...a non-issue. I kind of just laugh to myself when atheists think they know something. Because I have no doubts. None. It isn't blind faith either, it's assurance through experience.

Answer 6

Speaking as a former "religious one" it isn't often other people's persuasion that would cause anyone to renounce their faith. It tends to be harsh experience. Most religious people see argument as a way of being tested and do their best to withstand this - so the more you argue the more stubborn you make them!

Answer 7

if we could prove that God exists then there would be no reason to have faith. I cannot prove to you that God exists, just as you cannot prove to me that he doesn't. God is in my heart, his existence shows in my actions and the way I choose to live my life. I am not a religious person, I do not belong to a said religious group. But I have faith in God and I know that Jesus lived as you and I live and that he died so that I can be forgiven for my sins. And because God gave us free will, I can choose to believe in him and his existence just as you can choose not to.

Answer 8

There is proof, but not of the philosophic or physical science kind that athiests often seem to focus on - perhaps many don't want to believe so focus on aspects of life where the evidence isn't going to be found.

Answer 9

not sure I'm following your turn of phrase, but I can attest that the way prayers are answered is absolutly Amazing. Proof? I comes knocking at your door and flying in your windows once you put it to the test.

Funny thing is, the better I've gotten at getting 'miracles', particularly material fullfillment, the less I care about them. I find that living in the moment is its own reward.

If you are an athiest, I'll be glad to have a rational exchange of ideas with you. Your beliefs don't threaten me and I'm rather a reasonable person.

Answer 10

Exchange what ideas? That proven facts should be considered opinions or that stories that should have evidence but don't are true? Or my personal favorite, how to ensure that civil law is based on a given group's moral system.

Answer 11

As many times as you have to be asked to prove God doesn't exist :P
I personally think we should all just respect one another's beliefs and instead argue over whether cats can fly :D