How in the world is this an excuse?

Question

Ok, am I the only Muslim who really thinks Saudi Arabia should quit calling itself the best place for Islam, even though it is the birthplace? It's not following Islam at all. So it claims to follow Shariah law. Ok, fine geniuses, you tell me where in Shariah it says that a victim of rape is the guilty party. I can show you where that whole 4 witnesses thing is applicable ONLY in the case of a married man and woman, being accused of adultery. I can further show evidence that Islam states to stone the rapist and the victim is to go free.

As for the woman praising the Jews, why not when it comes to certain parts of history? Even the Prophet (PBUH) had some good things to say about them. Why in the world these countries call themselves Islamic I have no clue, because they certainly don't follow it.

Does anyone else feel this way? If you really study Islam, and not just glance it over, look at it in context and you'll see those that do this are sinning. This is crazy!

Answer 1

You got my support sis! While Saudi Arabia is supposed to be the prime example of the ummah, they're nothing but an embarassment to Islam. People praise them because they are devout to the faith, but they really aren't that devout when they make innovations, ignore justice, and punish the innocent. That's not Islam and if they think it is, woe to them.

Answer 2

There are good and bad things everywhere. So is the case with Saudi Arabia.Yes I agree it should be an ideal example for the whole world. But are we all perfect ? Because Saudi Arabia is cradle of Islam so we expect it more from it.And we are sometimes justified also. Expatriates in general specially from third world countries are treated here like dogs.
This is very sad and gives a very bad impression of this country as well as of Islam.May Allah help all of us.

Answer 3

I know, Sweetness. No one said Religion was fair. That's why I'm staying a Happy Heathen. Come on over by Mom and we'll have a nice cup of tea and some cake and we'll talk.

How about This: All Men out of Religion and Government Immediately. The Ladies are Taking Over as of Now.

Answer 4

Every religion has this problem. People seek what they want to in the holy books for their own motives, usually somewhat suspect motives. They'll interpret things to suit them, to justify bad behaviour. Christians do it. Hindus do it. Just because a person follows a religion doesn't make them a good person. Alas. Worse still, they give a bad impression of their religion to outsiders. All you can ever do, as a representative of your religion is set a good example, and hang on in there with spreading the truth. Good luck:)

Answer 5

totally agree with you and sister hayya bi taqwa comments
saduia arabia is a disgrace especially to women where in the time of the prophets we were taught that a lady should also have equal rights etc and here we see that they cant even drive .i mean what the flip is that all about ive always wanted toknow the reasioning behind this and other laws they have put down.the rest of the wolrd just automatically assume that this is islam just becasue the two holy mosques are therre
allah knowsbest

Answer 6

I wont say anything on the topic cause wat i have heard so far is information from western media, wich is alwayz misleading, but we all know Allah is watching if somthing wrong is being done ,Allah save us!
i think there is another issue as well which needs our attention, the so called war against islam in iraq, what do people think about that!

Answer 7

Read the story properly.She was found guilty of being in public with a man who was not a male relative not because she was raped.
Whether you agree with it or not,that is the law in Saudi Arabia and she knowingly broke the law.
And no,I do not believe the punishment fits the crime.

Answer 8

As salaamu 'alaikym, my freind.

Isha'Allah, one should always have the facts on hand before one begins to judge others, other cultures and countries, the laws and customs of the same etc.,and before one "goes off".

Isha'Allah, the young woman was found guilty of breaking a law in Saudi Arabia that prohibits memebers of the opposite sex from mixing with one another except under traditional and somewhat strict guidelines. This young woman, who admits to knowing the law she broke and admits to knowing that such was the law of the land she was in, knowingly broke that law! She was not found guilty of rape.
The law which the young woman knowingly broke is in place for the protection of persons exactly like her.
Then, again, willfully and with forthought of planning, after having been advised not to do so, she went to the "press", the meida and made her case public in what was undoubtedly an attempt to force the hand of the judicial system in Saudi Arabia.
In the practice of Islam one does not make ones "sins" (which can be read as legal offenses) public knowledge except within a court of law.
She does not and has not denied any of this.

Insha'Allah, when one travels to another country, it is in that persons best interest to have some knowledge of the laws and the customs of the country and the people there in to which that persons is traveling.
One should not go to a country and break one of said country's laws and then cry "foul" and plead that he or she did not know that what they are doing or were doing was wrong in accordance with the same. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
With the exception of diplomats who, in some odd twist of the law, have immunity to the laws of the nation in which they are sent, all other persons must obey the laws of the country in which they are in even if they are only there for a few minutes.
Here in the USofA we would and do expect all foreign, naturalized and native citizens to obey our laws and, when possible, we prosecute those who do not.
The same is true throughout Europe and, in fact, the rest of the world.

Insha'Allah, what is not Islamic is judging who is and who is not a Muslim. Such a judgment is for Allah, Subhanna wa Ta'ala and for Allah, Subhanna wa Ta'ala, alone. As Muslims, neither you nor I have the right to do that.

Insha'Allah, what is not correct in any situation is to make a judgment of a person, event, etc, without clearly understanding all of the facts, just as it is never a wise course of action to judge other nations or any part thereof, by a standard you accept or that you are accustomed to which is greatly different from their own.
You would be told by many Saudi nationals, and rightly so, that the USofA is a decadent, immoral and amoral sespool of behaviors that are completely unacceptable and yet are broadcast nightly into virtually every home in this nation by their standards.
The point is, the view of who is right and who isn't goes both ways depending entirely upon the vantage point of the viewer. To put is simply, "People living in glass houses should not throw stones!"
We are not nor should we project ourselves as "holier than thou", especially when the legal and justice system of this nation is in such shambles as it now is.
If one looks at the statistics, one will see wrongful conviction, some of which have led to lengthy imprisonments as well as to executions of innocent persons, laws which all agree are harsh, unapplicable, unfair and unjust yet no one is doing anything to resolve or amend such, and a system that is easily twisted so that those who steal from thousands of persons, destroying the lives of so many, walk out of court not only free but are allowed to keep the money that they stole. How do you think this looks to the rest of the world and what do you think they say about the same? Would it be much like your current post?

Insha'Allah, the Prophet Isa ('alaihi sallaam) told us to take the plank out of our own eye before we try to take the splinter out of our brothers eye. The wisdom of the prophet (as) speaks for itself.

Hasbuk'Allah.

Ma'a salaam.

Answer 9

Salaam Alaykum,
The people of Saudi Arabia are living under conditions worse than the Jalliyah..age of ignorance. Under the feet of a corrupt monarchy.
Wasalaam

Answer 10

I have criticised the country of Saudi Arabia for years, and for years well-meaning Muslims have told me that such is not proper.

I think that it is proper. We are told in the Qur'an not to tolerate injustice.

We are also told in the Qur'an that friendship with those who do not persecute us is acceptable.