JW's you have given Gods holy spirit the characteristic of an "active force" and it cannot be omnipresent....

Question

like God, nothing has that power except Jehovah himself... so what do you make of this scripture of Gods omnipresent spirit?
PSALMS 139:7-10 - Where can I go from your spirit,
And where can I run away from your face?

8 If I should ascend to heaven, there you would be;
And if I should spread out my couch in She´ol, look! you [would be there].

OR concerning JESUS' omnipresence in his own words in
MATTHEW 18:20 - For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”

THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE WORLD! i know he's not santa clause as he can zip around from africa to antartica in a single evening. HE IS IN THIER MIDSTS. all the time when beckoned by his followers. what can you say regarding these facts?

TO MAYNARD: JW's have written thier own version of the bible and in Genisis when it says gods holy spirit went to and fro over the water....they replaced the meaning of Gods holy spirit to an (somewhat electrical) "force" . it is not divine, just a force like electricity.

ya know, P june,,,, why did you overlook his spirit in the first half of the scripture in psalms? its just as clear as his face.

Answer 1

Jesus spoke about Jehovah’s dwelling place when he said to his disciples: “In the house of my father there are many abodes. . . . I am going my way to prepare a place for you.” (John 14:2)

Where did Jesus go?

Eventually, he “entered . . . into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.” (Hebrews 9:24)

This account teaches us two important facts about Jehovah God. First, he has a literal place of dwelling, and second, he is a person, not simply an indefinable force that resides everywhere.

That is why Jesus taught his followers to pray this way: “Our Father in the heavens,” directing their prayers to a person, Jehovah, who is in a place, namely, the spiritual heavens. (Matthew 6:9; 12:50)

While the Bible always refers to God as having a specific dwelling place, it often speaks of his holy spirit in ubiquitous terms. “Where can I go from your spirit, and where can I run away from your face?” asked the psalmist David. (Psalm 139:7)

Some have been confused by such references and may conclude that God is omnipresent. Yet, when considering the context of this and other texts, it becomes clear that Jehovah’s holy spirit—or power in action—can be extended from his fixed location to any place in the material universe.

Like a father’s hand extending down to console and support his children, Jehovah’s hand—or holy spirit—can extend to any part of the spiritual realm or the physical universe to accomplish Jehovah’s purpose.

Hence, the psalmist could say: “Were I to take the wings of the dawn, that I might reside there in the most remote sea, there, also, your own hand would lead me and your right hand would lay hold of me.”—Psalm 139:9, 10.

Answer 2

Actually, God is a spirit Person, which means that he does not have a material body, but a spiritual one. A spirit has a body? Yes, for we read, “If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one.” (1 Cor. 15:44; John 4:24) God being an individual, a Person with a spirit body, has a place where he resides... Thus we read at 1 Kings 8:43 that the heavens are God’s “established place of dwelling.” Also, we are told at Hebrews 9:24 that “Christ entered . . . into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.”

Moreover, the disciple Stephen and the apostle John had visions of heaven in which they saw both God and Jesus Christ. So Jehovah God must be just as much a person, an individual, as Jesus Christ is. (Acts 7:56; Rev. 5:1, 9)

It could well be that some have been confused due to the fact that God is allseeing; also his power can be felt everywhere. (2 Chron. 16:9) We might illustrate these facts by likening God to an electric power plant. It has a certain location on a certain street in a city. But its electricity is distributed over all the city, providing light and power. And so with Jehovah God. He has a location in the highest heavens, but his active force, his holy spirit, furnishes enlightenment, and its force can be felt everywhere, over all the universe.

Answer 3

Omnipresent means that God is everywhere, all the time, without exception.

The scriptures you cited do not support that.

God CAN be anywhere and everywhere and SEE anywhere and everywhere that He so chooses. The verses in Psalms make the point that it is impossible to hide from his face. He is all powerful (omnipotent) and can see what we wishes to see.

NONE of that means that he is a constant presence everywhere at all times.

At Matt 18:20... well, regarding this I have to say, R U serious with this? Jesus is not claiming omnipresence either! Saying "where there are two or three gathered in my name" is like saying that when they are gathered to do his will "In his name" then he is with them in spirit.

As if I said to my assistant: "I can't be at the meeting. But here's what needs to be covered. You go and represent us. I'll be with you in spirit."

Same deal with the Holy Spirit or God's active force. It is a power He uses to accomplish his purposes. It is not a distinct person. It, also, is not omnipresent.


Edit:

I didn't overlook it. Just didn't specifically comment on it.

It's covered by the "in spirit" comments. And by the fact that God send His spirit to do His will - to where ever he so chooses according to His omnipotence. Still does not indicated that the Holy Spirit is a person... or that it is omnipresent.

Answer 4

The Bible continually refers to God's Spirit (called Holy Ghost in some places in Old English Bibles the it term).

See: Romans 8:16 and others in that chapter....spirit is referred to itself in KJV and Douay. Many modern versions change the itselfs to himselfs to try to prove HS is a person.

I was raised in other religions and heard the KJV Bible read a lot. I NEVER believed the HS/HG was a person. Never believed Jesus was his own Father either.

You should really compare the different Protestant or Catholic bibles (old VS new) if you don't know about these things.

Debbie

PS In original languages even the the's and other words connected with HS/HG or spirit are itself or it, or neuter (it) terms. There is only 1 place in KJV where HS is called a "he" and that I believe is in Acts.

Additionally, RC church did not originally believe HS was a person===then not God. They "voted" and promoted him over the century long duration of the Nicene Creeds.
The Athanasian Creed of the 5-6th centuries AD (not the Bible) established the HS, finally as a person/God and the 3 as one God or trinity.

It did not exist before than. Check history. It is available online for free.

Debbie

Debbie

Answer 5

He said in Genesis 18:20 that the cry of complaint about Sodom and Gamorrah was great and he was going down to see if it was true.
Yet we know that no man can see god and yet live.
Genesis 19 the two angels arrived at Sodom.
By means of his angels he can know what is going on around the world.
Hebrews 12:22-23 says God has myriads of angels in general assembly at his beck and call. That is millions.
Other places it says millions of millions.
Many times he spoke of talking to persons and later it said by means of the angels.
I do believe that if the good angels didn't assembly with the good people the demons and Satan would do away with the persons who were serving God.
Just as he used the governments to do away with Jesus.
And in some countries it has been very effective.

Answer 6

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. and the earth was without form and void.
and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
KJV
In my bible I got from the Methodist church it says holy spirit or active force. Maybe it was by angels?

Answer 7

Good Question!

It seems the psalmist is trying to convey comfort in God's presence and at the same time glorify his omnipotent power.

7-16 speak about his omnipotent power

And 'spirit' seems to speak about his breath of air..his life giving spirit is what was needed to create (NIV,13)"my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb."

Also he was greatful because he was...(NIV,14)"wonderfully made"..

This sound's like a nice poem...

'Active force' does make sense in this case..Personally I would call it 'energy of life' or 'life force'...

Take It Easy Everbody.

Answer 8

You need to read your own scripture.

Who's spirit is it? "your spirit"

the very verse you are quoting shows that it is not God but his spirit and we can't hide from it.

God's spirit is part of God, just as his face and his finger are part of God, but are not a god unto themselves.

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Answer 9

What is an active force, and where is it found in scripture?

Answer 10

I look at it this way:

You make up your stuff.

They make up theirs.

Live and let live...