Clear Answers Please..Thank You.
2007-11-26 06:11:55 · 19 answers · asked by conundrum 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Looks like fish is onto something..hmm.
2007-11-26 06:15:54 · update #1
Not a true doctrine. A person can fall from grace. Nobody can be saved and continue in sin and expect to be saved.
2007-11-26 06:14:57 · answer #1 · answered by Fish <>< 7 · 6⤊ 4⤋
I believe that once you are saved, and you trip up and sin, you can ALWAYS be forgiven. God doesn't love conditionally. However, I do NOT believe that someone who was baptized, then turns away from God intentionally, or is no longer sorry and accepting of God, His gift, and His Word (whether or not they still believe in him) is NOT saved.
For example (just to be more clear), a person is raised in a Christian home, and when he moves out of their parent's house and get into "the real world", he continues in what he was taught. However, after a while, he begins to drift away from what he was raised to know as the truth. In the end, he starts living his life the way he wants to, without regard for the truth. He may still believe in God, and know what the right way is, but not care, or just abandon it. In that case, since he lives in sin without repenting, he isn't saved anymore. He can always repent and change his life, and then be re-saved, but "always saved" only applies if someone sticks with the truth. Does this make sense?
I take 'once saved always saved' to mean something more like .... if you sin, there is ALWAYS forgiveness. Since we are human, once we are saved we develop a relationship with God and we have the freedom to accept his Gift of salvation, and receive forgiveness, even when we sin after repenting. All it takes is repenting again.
God Bless!!!
2007-11-26 14:30:59 · answer #2 · answered by Maybur 3 · 1⤊ 3⤋
If once saved always saved was the case why would the Devil even try to temp Jesus – who was said to be perfect?
The Bible's opinion on this matter is clearly stated:
Mathew 24:13
2007-11-26 14:30:20 · answer #3 · answered by AEH101 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Some people promote a very attractive idea: All true Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation, once they accept Jesus into their hearts as "their personal Lord and Savior." The problem is that this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.
Recall this Scripture: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well........
The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).
Note that this includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.
As a Catholic, when someone asks me if I have been "saved," I answer: "I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me."
2007-11-26 14:16:33 · answer #4 · answered by Catholic Crusader 3 · 1⤊ 3⤋
If you can opt in, I have no idea why anyone would say that you cannot opt out. However, if God is the one to predestine, and effectually call his own unto salvation, then I have no idea why anyone would say that God cannot keep his own in the palm of his hand.
2007-11-27 00:22:31 · answer #5 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Another one of those concepts that are ambiguous in the Bible. You can find verses to justify either perspective. Whichever one you latch on to, you have to ignore or obtusely explain the counter-verses.
2007-11-26 14:38:46 · answer #6 · answered by he_whose_name_must_not_be_spoken 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋
I do.
EDIT: someone who continually sins and thinks that they can always ask for forgiveness while doing those sins, probably wasn't saved to begin with Fish <>< .
2007-11-26 14:14:08 · answer #7 · answered by LJ4Bama 4 · 2⤊ 4⤋
I know it is fact. 1 John 5.
It is impossible to lose or leave salvation. Some of those who think they may "lose" it, might not have it in the first place.
2007-11-26 14:13:48 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 4⤋
Because of the fact of free-will choice, people could, theoretically decide to become unsaved by committing some horrible sin and not be repenting of it. But I feel such a scenario is probably unlikely. Possible, not probable.
2007-11-26 14:16:01 · answer #9 · answered by Holly Carmichael 4 · 0⤊ 5⤋
Even saved you can still sin and/or give up.
2007-11-26 14:17:13 · answer #10 · answered by tercentenary98 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋