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An argument frequently used by theists is that "nothing comes from nothing", yet by their 'logic' god came from nothing.

So theists, why is it acceptable for god to come from nothing when it isn't for everything else? What is the reasoning behind this?

2007-11-26 06:02:00 · 18 answers · asked by ☼ɣɐʃʃɜƾ ɰɐɽɨɲɜɽɨƾ♀ 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Fish:
Isn't saying 'He always was' the same as having no beginning and therefore coming from nothing? Or are you saying 'He always was, since he began to exist'?

2007-11-26 06:10:40 · update #1

18 answers

How can you expect people who think the earth is 6K years old, to give you a clear explanation for "eternity"?

2007-11-26 06:08:54 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 3

OK, actually the eternal Deity makes more sense than the spontaneous Deity, if you want to use reasoning.

If something is eternal it did not come from one source.

Would I be correct if I told you?: Energy cannot be created or destroyed it can only change in form.

This is one of the most fundamental accepted principles of modern physics, based on this we can assert energy has always existed.

It is more credible in theology and modern physics for somethings to have always existed than to spontaneously appear.

I am not saying this makes Deitys exist etc, just saying you're reasoning is very very bad, for any type of argument.

Edit: Sansfear, It wasn't me that thumbed you but in this case you're incorrect. The theory behind anti matter and these particle acceleration experiments, is that when matter meets antimatter the energy is completely released leaving no matter(unless you include light I think). Thats why it is such a potential energy source, even though at the moment it takes millions of times as much energy to make antimatter as we get back.


Edit: Epidavro may disagree, and he has probably read "A breif history of Time" but that begs a huge question. What triggered time if there was no time......I am not that advanced in physics, but the idea of a moment occuring in a timeless universe is quite obviously wrong.

2007-11-26 14:11:07 · answer #2 · answered by Link strikes back 6 · 0 0

Well, the problem is God didn't come from nothing, He exists in Eternity. Time and Space are but a nano part of ETERNITY.
God was, is and always will be. He never had a beginning and never had an ending. Time and space have a beginning, but probably no ending. People have both beginnings and endings.

2007-11-26 14:08:53 · answer #3 · answered by Holly Carmichael 4 · 0 0

Ignorance.

It is known that time had a beginning from General Relativity. However, this simple fact escapes the average theist. While unable to explain what they mean by eternity they nevertheless insist upon it - going both forward and backward. They also insist in absolute time - another thing known not to exist from physics.

2007-11-26 14:10:30 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Logic is bound by both time and space. Theists argue that reality includes but transcends these constraints (thus the idea of eternity). This argument has its roots in the very experience of spiritual connection in which All is One and One is all there is.

2007-11-26 14:10:04 · answer #5 · answered by ledbetter 4 · 0 0

Our logic isn't God came from nothing...I don't know who said that but the general christian public don't say that. In the Bible it simply said, in the beginning...we don't know where God came from because it wasn't written in the Bible, it simply said, "in the beginning...God created...". And we do not say the whole creation came from nothing because the God who created it isn't nothing. He spoke and then the world was formed. As for the quest if God came from something, someday we will know...

2007-11-26 14:09:27 · answer #6 · answered by ®¤Gµ€.×Î 3 · 0 0

On a cosmological scale, time is not necessarily linear. It is possible to have a solution for a cosmology where there are no past-eternal timelines, in other words nothing extends indefinitely into the past. Our Universe may be like that.

2007-11-26 14:08:17 · answer #7 · answered by cosmo 7 · 0 0

I never said or implied that God came from "nothing" It's simply that when one begins to ponder scales of magnitude such as unfathomable expanses of time in reference to "how old is God?", you render yourself and the question meaningless.

2007-11-26 14:09:19 · answer #8 · answered by Wired 5 · 0 0

Because the Bible states he has no beginning – which would make since it states he created our realm. This would mean, he had been living, before our realm was in place. What are the laws of his realm? No one could say because we are just mere humans living by what we perceive around us.

2007-11-26 14:09:09 · answer #9 · answered by AEH101 3 · 0 0

Because they have a belief in nothingness.

Matter always existed, we know it exists today, and there has never been a case where it can be made into nothingness.

God has no evidence for existence, beyond personal belief and people who rely on him created the doctrine of nothing existing before the universe.

2007-11-26 14:06:10 · answer #10 · answered by ɹɐǝɟsuɐs Blessed Cheese Maker 7 · 1 2

I don't know but He was already there so it is right to say he came from nothing....because He was there to begin with.

2007-11-26 14:09:47 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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