A Bible based Question?

Question

In Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said: “I shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.” God tells Eve he will INCREASE the pain of her pregnancy.
Which must mean that she would feel pain anways..only now that she sinned she will have the pain increased, right?
But if she was perfect..how could she feel pain?
Does anyone know what I am trying to ask?

Adam and Eve were perfect. It was not until they disobeyed Jehovah that they became sinners and eventally died.
I assume when someone is perfect..you don't feel any pain right?

I am sorry..I am not trying to say the Bible contradicts itself or God hates women. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
It is just a question that popped into my mind and was wondering if anyone can help me answer it.

If a perfect person cannot feel pain...How come in Revelation 21:3 . 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
Says there will be no more pain?
If we are going to be perfect we won't feel any pain right?
So if Adam and Eve were perfect..they couldn't have felt any pain...right?

I am not trying to question the Bible...just I want to clear this in my mind.

Please star this question...I would like to get as many answers as possible.

Joyful: I am using the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

Answer 1

Did Jesus cry out when he was sacrificed? Pain can come in many forms. It pained Jesus to see the house of his father desecrated by the impure ones who were selling sacrifices in the temple. Did it physically hurt him? I don't think so, but it pained him nonetheless. If you read your (??) Genesis said "greatly" increase the pain. The word greatly would seem to indicate that the pain she may have felt was very little before the sin. After being greatly increased many imperfect women choose to go through childbirth without pain killers and have for thousands of years, so how much could it have hurt a perfect woman? It makes sense then that she may have felt the pressure of the child and the pressure of it being born and some would say that is pain enough. But I think it was miniscule compared to what a woman today goes through.

The logical question this brings up then, is do perfect people feel pain at all? I would say yes. And again it depends on how you define the word pain. And seeing as we have limited information regarding perfect people, we will never know, and if we will never know, why then question?? A question in and of itself begs for an answer, if there can be no answer, then the question is mute. That faith then becomes belief, if you don't believe then you are apted to question more, if you do believe you have faith.

Answer 2

Adam and Eve were perfect up to the fall. The scripture does not mention weather Eve bore children before the fall. You have to interpret this from the point of the sin, not before.

Look at verse 15 also, this is important to this whole equation, God put emnity between the womans seed and the seed of the serpent. You notice God addresses, the serpent, then the woman, then the man.

The punishment for her sin was sorrow in conception and in bringing forth children from the womb, because she sinned and did what God told her Not to.

I will ask you this, if being perfect means you do not experience pain, Then, if Eve were to fall down, while walking and, she broke her finger, do you think she just got up and all was fine, no pain?? I am sure you understand now.

Answer 3

A perfect person must be able to feel pain. Without such sense we would have crispy critters getting too close to fire or a stove. Or we might not notice a stake of wood through our foot unless we heard it dragging.

It is the severity of the pain that increased. She had not had any kids yet when this was said. We do not know how much a perfect body would handle severe pain. Now our imperfect bodies can compensate for some pain after time. We get used to it after a while.

Answer 4

A lot of thought is given to this passage. The pain referred to here is simply the pain of childbirth. You are right in that if God tells her that He will increase the pain then she must have already felt it. The simplest explanation is that Adam and Eve may have already had children in the garden before the fall. The Bible never gives the amount of time before the fall so it is quite possible. Now the pain she might have felt since they were in a perfect environment may have been very very small. Perhaps as small as a pin prick. All we know is that it must have been greatly smaller than the pain experienced after the fall.

Answer 5

Genesis doesn't say Adam and Eve were perfect, it says the were innocent. They would have grown old and died if they didnt eat of the tree of life, and there may have been some minor pain in childbirth,. Their lives in the garden would have been perfect if they had not disobeyed - no work, no worries, plentiful food, and a life of peace and contentment. It doesn't say no pain at all!

Answer 6

Yes she had to of felt pain. Almost all animals feel some measure of pain when they have a baby simply because a large animal is coming out a small opening! Same way with humans. Muscles that have never been worked before are being stretched and strained.

Pefection had nothing to do with pain because that's part of the human makeup. If Eve was to prick her finger she would have to feel the pain, otherwise she would be imperfect because he body didn't recognize it.

Hope this answers your question.

Answer 7

"The pain of your pregnancy" is correct in English, because the Hebrew expression here, "your pain and your childbearing," is what is called a hendiadys, when two words are connected by "and" to express one idea. Thus, the JPS Tanakh, a Jewish version, reads "your pangs in childbearing."

As for a perfect person feeling pain, just remember that "perfection" in Biblical usage simply means 'completely suited to its purpose.' Adam and Eve were complete as humans, according to God's standards. Being perfect did not preclude them from feeling pain, because pain is useful in protecting the body from harm.

Answer 8

If you go back to the old translations, the verse actually says, "I will increase your sorrow and your conception". Sorrow was a term used to describe a woman's mentrual period. Conception describes her ability to get pregnant. Possibly, before the fall, women did not have a monthly period, but possible once or twice yearly. Also, with the increase in periods, came an increase the conception. Then after the conception, "in pain you shall bring forth your children".

Answer 9

Also look at Isaiah 66:7-9
7 Before she began to come into labor pains she gave birth. Before birth pangs could come to her, she even gave deliverance to a male child. 8 Who has heard of a thing like this? Who has seen things like these? Will a land be brought forth with labor pains in one day? Or will a nation be born at one time? For Zion has come into labor pains as well as given birth to her sons. 9 “As for me, shall I cause the breaking through and not cause the giving birth?” says Jehovah. “Or am I causing a giving birth and do I actually cause a shutting up?” your God has said."

Answer 10

I like the KJV personally which renders:
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

If you notice, it says sorrow AND conception. Eve hadn't had any children yet, so she did not know pain that is child birth. Eve knew sorrow because of what had just happened. Now it would be multiplied because of child birth. It was the woman's punishment for sinning.
Secondly-since when does perfection make it so you feel no pain? (Jesus?)