Why won't Wiccans just admit they're wearing an inverted cross?

Question

Instead of giving some story about St. John wanting it hung upside down? Trying to offend Christians so they'll sin? It's amazing all the things that are made up to try and affect Christian worship-things like not being able to clasp our hands during "prayer" because we need to be grounded!? Oh brother. It just gets old. Those who have ears, let them hear.

Answer 1

1) never heard of a wiccan wearing an inverted cross, weird story or not. some celtic practitioners I think might wear a thor's hammer, maybe thats what your thinking?

2) why would wiccans use a story involving christian entitys, or try to offend christians?

3) what? how or why would wiccan views of things effect christian worship?

4) yes, you should hear, and read, and investigate so your not making yourself look like an idiot, saying random things that have no basis in reality.

Answer 2

Not being a Wiccan but knowing some I find that most are very good people and they do not intend to bother or offend any one. The upside down cross is a Satan worshipper symbol and not a Wiccan; Sata worship is closely realted to Christianity, the mirror image of it, since Satan is a Christian concept. Wiccans and pagans neither use that symboll or beilieve in Satan-pagans have various gods some good, some bad but most a little of each. If some one is wearing an upsde cross claiming to be a Wiccan then they are not being honest or understand the religion they caim to be; just some one trying to get attention and offfend people. How many of the things made up to try to affect your worship have been made up by other Christians religions or sects? I think you will find the great majority of "Christian" celebrations and many practices have been copied from various pagan and Wiccan religions during the early years of Christianity to make it easier for those being converted to understand. The not clasping hands thing I have never heard and I was raised Southern Baptist.

Answer 3

I sometimes use a "cross" in my pagan rituals, but it's an equal armed sun-wheel cross, (without a longer arm to stand on, there isn't really any way it can be hung upside!)

So where are those Wiccans?
I've never heard/seen any real life Wiccans (or any other pagan for that matter) wearing an inverted crucifix. (Have seen a few, non-religious Goths wearing them, as a fashion accessory)

Probably A. Crowley's fault (who wasn't a Wiccan, and I've never heard of wearing an inverted cross either). I recon a lot of his actions were to offend people in general (Christians included), or a the minimum have a laugh at them.

(I figure the much mocked "Ritual of passing through the Tuat", is a funeral rite, probably "invented" to stop people bothering him, with inane questions/requests for rituals)

Doesn't mean Crowley didn't produce/develop any good ideas though....

A first glance the Gnostic Mass seems to be a parody of the Christian mass, but it may well be closer to the original (a ritual it's likely Christianity probably borrowed, and adapted in a way which suited it). Both emphasise different ways of celebrating God/creation/life etc. As each is from a different path, neither really detracts from the other.

St John's part of the Christian mythos. It's up to Christians to interpret it as they will.

Answer 4

I don't think Wiccans are trying to affect Christian worship by wearing an inverted cross or forbidding hand-clasping for prayer. If Christians are strong enough in their "faith" they wouldn't be bothered by Wiccans. There are other things within a community that should concern a Christian more- like poverty, abuse, sickness and the environment. Rise above it and move on.

Answer 5

I have never seen a wiccan wear an upside down cross. They wear a pent. And no Wiccan is trying to offend Christians so they will sin. That's about as self centered as it get. Do you think we're all against you or something? The world is plotting against you? That's signs of a paranoia disorder. Get over yourself.
And you are speaking of the Thors Hammer you couldn't be more wrong. It predates the cross my thousands of years. Before the Romans even used it as a means of death.

Answer 6

Jesus didn't even die on a cross, so you don't have anything to worry about now.

In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”

Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”

Answer 7

What are you talking about? I don't care if you clap you hands or jump up and down or cluck like a duck when you pray. I don't wear a cross inverted or other wise and I think you need to count to ten and just calm down. If you ever have any real questions for a Wiccan you can let me know and I will be happy to help you in any way I can but please remember that you are setting an example and most of the Christians I know are RESPECTFUL.

Answer 8

There's no way to take the Wiccan Pentacle and make it an inverted anything. Nor is the Satanic inverted Pentagram and inverted cross either. The Wiccan Pentacle looks up towards the heavens as a symbol of receiving power from on high and bringing it to the supplicant. The Satanic Baphomet or inverted Pentagram points downward representing being grounded and receiving their power from the Natural World itself and focusing their mind upon the here and now, as opposed to pie-in-the-sky nonsense.

There is a legend about St. Peter being crucified upsidedown because he was not "worthy" to die as his Lord did, and it is totally unsubstantiated and a bit of folk mythology like Washington and the Cherry Tree. The symbol of the Black Mass taking place before and inverted cross is an invention of the Church of Rome. However, certain persons have actually performed this type of Black Mass.
Perhaps you should ask these folks why they wear upside down crosses. Don't ask LaVeyan Satanists, since they don't use the symbol, nor do Wiccans. Neither Wiccans nor LaVeyan Satanists worship the Devil in any way shape or fashion. Wiccans worship the Divine Unity in the form of the God and Goddess. Cernunos, the Horned God, is a symbol of the god Pan, the supreme Nature Deity to the Greeks. The Mother Goddess, in most Wiccan covens is given the focus of the ritual worship, but that is not exactly what Gerald Gardner intended as he wanted a balance, like Yin and Yang, between complementary (not opposing) forces.

Wiccans are pagans who worship Nature deities and whose religion is Nature based not unlike the Shinto religion of Japan. LaVeyan Satanists are basically atheists (humanists) who like to express their own dark side and the dark side of Nature, which Wiccans sometimes forget exists.

Then there are the Theistic Satanists, those blockheads who see Satan as a force of evil and worship the same.

Then there is another type of Theistic Satanist, those who see Satan as the true god of light whose benevolent authority and rule has been usurped by an Arch Fiend, the god of traditional monotheistic religions. Judging by God's alleged behavior in the Bible, I can understand why some people believe that the whole of reality has been inverted: What the mainstream person calls "Light" is in fact utter darkness, and what they fear as "Darkness" is actually the freedom of enlightenment. Bertrand Russell wrote that you can take any world religion and compare the behavior of the gods to the devils and the devils come out smelling like roses. The Hindu myth of the Demon King of Sri Lanka is a great one to prove this point. But then thanks to Christianity, the Natural powers, and the gods of the pagan folk have been perverted, demonised and propagandized into very convincing Devils. None is better than the conversion of Pan (the traditional Devil is modelled on him) from a benevolent (albeit scary) force of Nature, into a malign entity hellbent on destroying the world. Pan is the expression of all of Nature personified. How could that be malign? Pan is Cernunos, the Horned God, the Horns being a symbol of sexual prowess and power, not a sign of malevolence.

But thanks to Christian propaganda over the last 2000 years, the other side, until recently never had a voice. In the last 200 years, the other side, has not only gained significant victories over this ancient form of propaganda, but has basically already won the battle. One more generation to go, and Christianity's back will be broken. As one Humanistic philosopher wrote "Christianity is done with, played out, it has nothing more to give the world. All there is to do now is remove the corpse of Christianity before it begins to smell."

Another Humanist Philosopher wrote "Christianity was the principle cause of the destruction of the Classical Culture of Greece and Rome. Now, the Classical Cultures are back and are going to be the principle cause of the destruction of Christianity!"

And the dumb statement about clasping hands in prayer does not deserve to be dignified with an answer. Swami Vivekananda the Vedantist (Hindu) wrote "You have faith in God good! To have faith in oneself is even better." Knowing this, to whom do I pray, except myself? I, alone, am the arbiter of my fate, not God, Satan, Cernunos, the Mother Goddess or any other power, human or divine.

It is I who will save myself. It is I who will damn myself. I can't blame God or Satan for my failures as a human being, nor can you.

Answer 9

People try to offend a Christian by wearing a cross upside down?
I thought Fundy Christians were against wearing crosses period. Wearing a cross upside down or right side up would be offensive.
I thought fundy Christians were more offended by the crucifix

Answer 10

If a Christian just indiscriminately sins whenever they are offended, then they are hardly Christians! (What an insult to Christians you made with *that* little sentence!) I am amazed that seeing what you perceive to be an upside down cross would cause you to sin!!!!!!!!!

Holy holy, Batman!

If your faith is so shaky that little things like open handed prayer and what Wiccans do throws you into a tizzy, then you are a very weak willed Christian, indeed. Maybe people that have those issues really should contact a priest or pastor to deal with their faith crisis....as Jesus said: "Oh Ye of little faith!"


Don't blame Wiccans (or ANYBODY else, for that matter...) for your shallow faith....that blame lies solely within your heart, dear.