I understand the concept of evolution..but there are 2 weaknesses in it's claim?

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1.There is no adequate explanation for the origin of life from dead chemicals. Even the simplest life form is tremendously complex.
2.The fossil record, our only documentation of whether evolution actually occurred in the past, lacks any transitional forms, and all types appear fully-formed when first present. The evidence that (ape-men) existed is dubious at best. So called pre-man fossils turn out to be those of apes, extinct apes, fully man, or historical frauds.

So tell me this evolution believers...do you not also have faith in evolution when there is no adequate explanation for the two weaknesses I mentioned above. And are you not solely having faith in what knowledgeable scientists have told you and what they believe is common sense and fact. This is also what believers do, we have faith in a Book that was written by man and you have faith in what scientists have told you even with evidence lacking. So can we all agree that we both are blinded by faith?

Yes Paster Art I know evolution lacks much more. But would take more than one page to tell it all.

I said nothing about atheists nor have I said anything about atheists thinking evolution is an explanation of forming life.

Okay nobody has answered my questino yet..your just babbling on about your own beliefs in question. If you wish to debate something I suggest you email me. In the meantime answer my question!!

wow..out of all the answers only one person actually answered my question..I'm choosing him as best answer.

D R PHD: You know when man comes to regard himself as knowledgeable on a subject just because they went to college and obtained a high honored degree such as in science, and they go around experimenting and studying things about life and unexplained questions that are asked everyday, their brain is so racked they come up with theories such as evolution, examples and evidence that cannot be put into question. And they feed their theories to the world who believe it because the evidence is there..not that the people who believe it actually found the evidence or did the experiment,but they base their belief solely on what scientists tell them or give them as evidence.even when they do not understand how the evolution process works. you believe it by your own common sense and reasoning. all humans who believe evolution it is also the scientists experimenting and studying who believe it also, aconclusion they have come to and they want every one else to believe it also.

Answer 1

What you are stating is a tired old argument.

Chemicals are not dead. They are active. Life didn't just happen one fine day. It took a couple of billion years for the chemicals to interact and form life. This can happen only under certain conditions as we know it.

Fossils will not show transitional phases because even minor changes occur over a million or so years. Unless you get fossils from every 100 years or so, you are not going to see any changes.

I am not blinded by faith. I don't take something for granted and say that is that and that is the way it should be. Prove it to me Right now, evolution makes a whole lot of sense to me than some mumbo-jumbo creation theory.

Answer 2

Many people really might not have done Biblical research on the subject, Gary. I never could understand this "trinity" concept so I began to study certain doctrines-still here I am still many years later, and I still check various translations of the scriptures, as I've learned to love being taught by God's inspired word. Here is one (and there are others, too) that have tried to stay true to the original Hebrew and Greek texts: Philippians 2:" 6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage." Note the (A-F) cross references-please! Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us,(A)and the government will be on His shoulders.(B) He will be named Wonderful Counselor,(C) Mighty God,(D)Eternal Father*,(E) Prince of Peace.(F) Cross references: Isaiah 9:6 : Is 7:14; 11:1-2; 53:2; Lk 2:11; Jn 3:16 Isaiah 9:6 : Is 22:22; Mt 28:18; 1Co 15:25 Isaiah 9:6 : Is 28:29 Isaiah 9:6 : Dt 10:17; Neh 9:32; Is 10:21 Isaiah 9:6 : Is 63:16; 64:8 Isaiah 9:6 : Is 26:3, 12; 54:10; 66:12 All scriptures are from The Holman Christian Standard Bible. One other note--Please see * Ah, ha! Some might say "Eternal Father--supports trinity. Again some research has taught many that Jesus can rightly be called "Eternal Father, because he became the second Adam-- 1 Cor. 15:22 1 Corinthians 15:21" For since death(A) came through a man,(B) the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.(C) 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.(D) Cross references: 1 Corinthians 15:21 : Mt 10:21; Jn 8:51; Php 3:10 1 Corinthians 15:21 : Gn 3:1-7; Rm 5:12-14 1 Corinthians 15:21 : Mt 28:5-6; Mk 16:6; Lk 24:5-8, 34; Jn 11:25; 20:9, 15-18 1 Corinthians 15:22 : Rm 14:9 I hope this will encourage all to do research even if they are sure of their beliefs. Philippians 1:9-11" And I pray this: that your love(A) will keep on growing in knowledge and every kind of discernment ,10 so that you can approve the things that are superior and can be pure and blameless in the day of Christ,11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ to the glory and praise of God."

Answer 3

Evolution is just not an issue in the UK, it is only an issue with Muslim and Christian fundamentalists. We don't talk about it at all. I never heard a French or German person say anything about it either. It's just a cultural thing that came over to the USA with the (pretty radical for their day) Pilgrim fathers.

I don't have faith in anything, I'm quite proud to be a freethinking agnostic. To me the Bible and the other holy books look like collected writings handed down by desert tribes, nothing special about them. Christ was a really good philosopher but I doubt there was anything divine about him. I find the Buddha more interesting.

As for science, well it's amazing but not as amazing as the universe. I wouldn't be here without medical science. Religion doesn't seem to offer any benefits over philosophy. My moral sense arises from my Catholic upbringing, my interest in the Stoics and Buddhism and science. Interestingly enough the latest evolutionary theories postulate that we have evolved to have a religious sense. There is certainly evidence that even animals cooperate and that much of what we think is human behaviour is shared by animals. Emotions can be tracked by brain scans, we know pretty well what happens when you love someone. Human behaviour can even be simulated by machines and in the future robotic behaviours look likely to challenge conventional thinking about intelligence.

As for your belief thing, give science a chance! it's only a few hundred years since the enlightenment, religion has had centuries to sort it out. Of course there are gaps in knowledge, your argument is the familiar "God of the Gaps" argument that Richard Dawkin demolishes in his book "The God Delusion" read it....

Answer 4

oh chemicals can be dead? then i must listen to you if you have such mental capacity to find that chemicals can die and be alive!

listen you nut the first thing to form from these chemicals WAS NOT ALIVE and that eventually became a virus which is also NOT ALIVE. that eventually became a bacterium which IS ALIVE.

now i dunno if you knew this but NOT ALL ORGANISMS BECOME FOSSILS! there has to be the right conditions for them to be made so what surprises me more is that we even have as many as we have. and we can see evolution happen especially with viruses though not living do have a genetic code that can change. why do you think it is so hard to cure HIV/AIDS? the virus has genetic mutations that make it immune to the medication the person is given and then it continually reproduces at an exponential rate and the medicine won't work and if you switch meds it goes back to the other genetic change. there's so many examples of evolution small scale but on a macro level that we can observe. during the industrial revolution the color of a certain moth went from white to black because of ceretain environmental pressures. we have the evidence and proof we need. i need no faith to believe in evolution when it can be observed.

Answer 5

The things you are saying are all 30 years out of date. The missing link was found years ago, and in fact many missing links. They were never shown to be frauds.
The way in which life began is well documented, and has even been reproduced in the laboratory.
You have been fed a bill of goods by somebody with an agenda (such as getting your money in the collection plate each week). The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, and anybody saying it didn't happen would be laughed at at any serious center of science (except they would be scared to irritate conservative Christians who might end up picketing and demanding funding for the school be cut).
PS: I am a Christian but I don't appreciate people being lied to by their leaders in the name of God.

Answer 6

There's a major flaw in your first "weakness".
Evolution theory does not, and cannot, explain HOW life began, only what happened AFTER it began.
How life began "from dead chemicals" is abiogenesis.
And speaking of "dead chemicals", God created man from clay (dust) are we absolutely certain He did it at the snap of a finger, or could it be that even HE took a long time, by our standards, to get us from dust bunny to human?
I really believe science and religion can help fill in the gaps in each other's ideas, if viewed with an open mind and looked at from the proper perspectives.

Answer 7

Actually, both of your "weaknesses" are inaccurate. Scientists have dozens of theories on the creation of life from "dead" chemicals and literally hundreds of examples of transitional forms of fossils for hundreds of species of creatures. So I would have to argue that believers in evolution are not blinded by faith at all. They are enlightened by a lot of pretty heavy evidence. If you choose to ignore or misunderstand that evidence, that does not make the evidence weak. And you can try to argue my bias on the subject, but the truth is that I'm a Christian, too. So from what I can tell, you don't have a leg to stand on in this topic.

Answer 8

1. Confuses evolution with abiogenesis.

2. Is false. The fossil record is larded with transitional forms. Also, the existence of other human species besides ours is well-supported by the fossil records.

As your premises are false, you conclusion is unsupported, and doesn't need refutation.

Answer 9

Did you honestly expect to get an answer to this? Or did you deep down expect people to read this and change their whole belief system. Belief is generally a long procces, not something you will just change over one small thing. If you do, then you never truly had beliefs to begin with.

While I too have problems with evolution, I know that getting the answer we want is impossible. Just like its impossible for us to prove our theories to them. My question is, how you get something out of nothing. Simple and to the point in my eyes. If I take a jar that is empty, with nothing but air, nothing will ever be in that jar unless something is added.

Answer 10

That's too easy. 1) Evolution is not an explanation for the origin of life. 2) There ARE unmistakablely transitional fossils. If you would read, you might know this. Next question....?