Roman Catholics...........Mary is a SINNER!!?

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Why did Mary offer two turtledoves in Luke 2??


psst.........see Leviticus 12, according to the Law of Moses

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Lev 12:6-8 And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter,..... And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.


A sinner brings two turtledoves, one for BURNT offering while the other is a SIN offering!

Is not that very, very clear??


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roman catholic Catechism #969 "This motherhood of Mary.... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."



My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (1Jn 2:1):….. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my Helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me (Heb 13:6)…… For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1Ti 2:5). Further more, it is Christ Jesus who it is ……..hath he (NOTE: not ‘she’, as if it was Mary) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the Mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises (Heb 8:6). The Lord Jesus Christ is the Advocate, Helper and the only Mediator between God the Father and man, not Mary or anyone else.


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Answer 1

Jesus Christ is the only one that ever came on earth and never sinned.
He was crucified on the cross.
He was buried and was resurrected.
Jesus is the only one that ever could do such a beautiful thing for mankind.
He was Man .And He had the blood of God in Him.
Praise Jesus.Jesus is Lord and Jesus is God along with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.Jesus sits at the right hand of God the Father.

Answer 2

The verses in Leviticus that you mention isn't talking about Mary, the mother of Jesus. It is speaking generally about the women of Israel - NOT Mary. Read the beginning of the chapter, or the verses before verse 6. Verse 2 says, "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. It is talking about circumcision of the male after a woman gives birth to a male child. The people of Israel were given commands and ordinances by God such as burnt offerings and sacrifices of certain animals. Circumcision was one of the symbolic rituals that God commanded that they carry out. Circumcision in those days before Christ was a symbol of being purified in Christ. v.3 - And in the eight day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. This isn't referring to Mary, but ANY woman in Israel after they give birth to a male child and what they are commanded by God to do. Mary was a sinner just like all other humans. She acknowledged Christ as her Savior, so if she was so perfect like Christ, why would she need a Savior?? The RC church does pray to Mary, which is a form of worship, not to mention all their statues of her. Mary did not (and still doesn't) have the power to save or perform miracles. She did NOT die on the cross for sin - Christ did. Mary cannot intercede for any human on this earth when they pray to her. She can do nothing - only Christ. He is the mediator between God and man - NOT Mary.

Answer 3

Instead of basing your hypoothesis on a verses in a holidy song, you should be investing verses in the Holy Bible:

Mary - the Immaculate Ark of the New Covenant
Exodus 25:11-21 - the ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God's Word. Mary is the ark of the New Covenant and is the purest vessel for the Word of God made flesh.

2 Sam. 6:7 - the Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. This shows us that the Ark is undefiled. Mary the Ark of the New Covenant is even more immaculate and undefiled, spared by God from original sin so that she could bear His eternal Word in her womb.

1 Chron. 13:9-10 - this is another account of Uzzah and the Ark. For God to dwell within Mary the Ark, Mary had to be conceived without sin. For Protestants to argue otherwise would be to say that God would let the finger of Satan touch His Son made flesh. This is incomprehensible.

1 Chron. 15 and 16 - these verses show the awesome reverence the Jews had for the Ark - veneration, vestments, songs, harps, lyres, cymbals, trumpets.

Luke 1:39 / 2 Sam. 6:2 - Luke's conspicuous comparison's between Mary and the Ark described by Samuel underscores the reality of Mary as the undefiled and immaculate Ark of the New Covenant. In these verses, Mary (the Ark) arose and went / David arose and went to the Ark. There is a clear parallel between the Ark of the Old and the Ark of the New Covenant.

Luke 1:41 / 2 Sam. 6:16 - John the Baptist / King David leap for joy before Mary / Ark. So should we leap for joy before Mary the immaculate Ark of the Word made flesh.

Luke 1:43 / 2 Sam. 6:9 - How can the Mother / Ark of the Lord come to me? It is a holy privilege. Our Mother wants to come to us and lead us to Jesus.

Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. 6:11 and 1 Chron. 13:14 - Mary / the Ark remained in the house for about three months.

Rev 11:19 - at this point in history, the Ark of the Old Covenant was not seen for six centuries (see 2 Macc. 2:7), and now it is finally seen in heaven. The Jewish people would have been absolutely amazed at this. However, John immediately passes over this fact and describes the "woman" clothed with the sun in Rev. 12:1. John is emphasizing that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and who, like the Old ark, is now worthy of veneration and praise. Also remember that Rev. 11:19 and Rev. 12:1 are tied together because there was no chapter and verse at the time these texts were written.

Rev 12:1 - the "woman" that John is describing is Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Just as the moon reflects the light of the sun, so Mary, with the moon under her feet, reflects the glory of the Sun of Justice, Jesus Christ.

Rev. 12:17 - this verse tells us that Mary's offspring are those who keep God's commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. This demonstrates, as Catholics have always believed, that Mary is the Mother of all Christians.

Rev. 12:2 - Some Protestants argue that, because the woman had birth pangs, she was a woman with sin. However, Revelation is apocalyptic literature unique to the 1st century. It contains varied symbolism and multiple meanings of the woman (Mary, the Church and Israel). The birth pangs describe both the birth of the Church and Mary's offspring being formed in Christ. Mary had no birth pangs in delivering her only Son Jesus.

Isaiah 66:7 - for example, we see Isaiah prophesying that before she (Mary) was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she was delivered of a son (Jesus). This is a Marian prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.

Gal 4:19 - Paul also describes his pain as birth pangs in forming the disciples in Christ. Birth pangs describe formation in Christ.

Rom. 8:22 - also, Paul says the whole creation has been groaning in travail before the coming of Christ. We are all undergoing birth pangs because we are being reborn into Jesus Christ.

Jer. 13:21 - Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in the Scriptures.

Hos. 13:12-13 - Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically.

Micah 4:9-10 - Micah also describes Jerusalem as being seized by birth pangs like a woman in travail.

Rev. 12:13-16 - in these verses, we see that the devil still seeks to destroy the woman even after the Savior is born. This proves Mary is a danger to satan, even after the birth of Christ. This is because God has given her the power to intercede for us, and we should invoke her assistance in our spiritual lives.

Answer 4

Mary had to be a sinner since she was just like us born of man for all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. there's no place in the bible that states Mary was without sin. she even had other children.

Answer 5

Mary had two human parents. As such she inherited sin from Adam and Eve.
She cannot be classed as perfect, even though he son Jesus, IS PERFECT.
Jesus NEVER said that his mother should be prayed to or used as a channel for prayer. Only Jesus can do this. And even Jesus did not accept worship, but directed it all to his heavenly Father.

Answer 6

Jesus received Baptism for the forgiveness of sins, too. Does that mean Jesus is a sinner? By your reasoning, you must think He sinned.

Answer 7

ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Mary was just a nice Jewish girl who did a job for God.
Only Jesus was ever without sin.

Answer 8

This is why Mary sacrifices turtledoeves.

Mary and Joseph did everything according to the Law of Moses.

Leviticus 12:3 2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. 3And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

> Every male was to be circumcised on the eight day

> Every Female who..“born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days”

Jesus was born under the Law of Moses (first covenant)
Genesis 17: 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

I believe it is worthy to note that by keeping the Law of Moses both Mary and Joseph seal God’s covenant with Israel. Then we have the naming of the child…Jesus which mean ...Saviour. God is my salvation. Who became the second covenant.

Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

Exodus 13: 39And when THEY had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth

Exodus 13: 2Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Jesus was circumcised, Named and Sanctified

Mary according to the Law was unclean and needed to be purified. It doesn’t make sense that God would dwell in the womb of a woman who is sinful…(she is not sinless either...she is human and Jesus would come in contact with sin) What was the nine months Mary carried Jesus (God) in her womb like for her?

Mary was chosen as God found favor in her. She has been given many names …but above all …She is the mother of Jesus. Respect for this woman is due her. As a Christian woman I would like to find God could find such favor in me…I am humbled to know that if he will accept me I should be so lucky.

John 14: 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, BUT BY ME.


Faith

Answer 9

Yes she was a sinner and ordinary woman like others...
But she is Saved and not a mediator between God and man..she have no power as well

Answer 10

You are spot on!

And neither is she co-redemptrix!

The worship of Mary is synonymous with the worship of the Queen of Heaven, a Babylonian religion, forbidden by God in the Old Testament.