Question for strong Christians....?

Question

Ok, this has to do with sin, and the book of Romans (and God and His word as a whole)

So here goes:
We know that without Christ, a person is in sin. But when we accept Christ, He completely forgives all sin. So the question is, what happens when a believer sins? We know that He gently convicts us and leads us to repentance. We also know that God promises never to leave or forsake us. So, in the meantime (or at anytime) does God ever turn His face away from the believer?

Note in the OT, when God's people were sinning, God "gave them into their sin." But that was before the Holy Spirit lived in man. But now, we have the Holy Spirit.

So the ultimate question.....Does God ever, ever (at any time at all), "turn His face away" from the believer? And if so then when exactily?

Answer 1

what happens when a believer sins?

Romans 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
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17 Now then it is no more I that ado it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the agood that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Answer 2

If we look at the life of Peter we see an answer to this question.

Peter denied Jesus 3 times during his trial but in John 21 and perhaps before when he saw Peter after his resurrection Peter was still loved by Jesus.

Peter was reprimanded by Paul about Jewish and Christian customs that Peter was caught up in. Yet the love of God was not turned away from Peter.

That was after Peter was baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit comes into your life to help one fight the enemy of self and the sin nature. We will always have that war within us as Paul says. There will be no relief for any Christian until God says the war is over and we are in heaven.

So as believers we will stumble on occasion. But as David noted "though I stumble seven times yet will I rise again." In Revelations we are told that overcomers shall inherit heaven. That is the key. As long as we do not allow our weaknesses to over come us. And when we do fail to ask forgiveness God will not forsake us.

But when a believer willfully turns his back from God then he is not really a believer as Judas Iscariot was not one. God will forsake him.

When Jesus Christ healed sinners he sometimes admonished some to go and sin no more. And this is really what every Christian longs to do. Not sin anymore but have the power and love of Jesus rule and reign in our hearts daily so that we can defeat the sinful desire that must stay buried in our hearts.

Answer 3

God is Love and once we grasp onto that then we wouldn't want to do those things. (BUT "our Spirit is willing and our Flesh is weak")If We walked in the Spirit we wouldn't do those things..... its what we know and our maturity level . There is not condemnation in Christ Just conviction of the Holy Spirit. And Conviction is good its letting us know that we need something corrected and if we don't take care of it it will produce a seperation and not that God turns His face but our own guilt and shame won't allow the communcation and openess with the Holy Spirit to flow freely and the sin will hold us back. Just one act can detour us from His will but its a journey and there is a target on our back called Satan and He will try anything to steal our Joy and Faith. How can we have a testimony without tests?"People will be saved through the Blood of Jesus and By the Word of our testimony." God knows our hearts and knows beginning to end so I just trust Him and If I fall I get up, brush off and go.

Answer 4

God will try and try to get us to repent. But there does come a day when he gives up, so to speak. The wording he uses is he gives us over to a reprobate mind or heart, can't remember. The key is this: If you feel his conviction he is still with you. Just repent,turn away from sin, and start again. No one but God can say when he "gives up". That's his judgement call. We should just make sure that never happens. By living righteously before God and enduring to the end. When a believer sins its forgiven/forgotten. The Bible says its as far from us as the east is from the west.

Answer 5

God does not turn away from believers or sin. He does not look upon man. God does not look up sin. We as Christians are dead to sin. We were reborn through Jesus Christ. We were given the Holy Spirit to guide us in this world. Only when we die Will we see God. He will see us then as pure, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ. When a believer sins he crucifies Jesus all over again. We were given to Jesus and He will never let go of us. Don't take my word for it, ask God.

Answer 6

Once a person is saved, the removal of sin is compelted in repentence alone

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is clear that a believer can sin, and that sin can be soul-threatening

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Answer 7

Christ took our sins upon Himself, was judged for those sins, and paid the penalty for sins which was death. The words of Jesus just before He died, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?", are the most heart-wrenching for any Christian to read, because of the judgment He was undergoing for our sin. But, those words should be an encouragement for us as well, because we know that sin and the consequence for it which is death, eternal separation from God's love, is paid for once and for all. Christ paid a debt we could never pay, because He was sinless and we aren't. By believing in His work of atonement to forgive us, we are covered by the pure and holy blood which He shed for the remission of sins.

God will never turn away from those who believe in Jesus Christ and His atonement for their sins, because to do so would mean He would be turning away from Christ again, and that's not going to happen!

God bless you!!!

Answer 8

God only turns his face from us when we deny him. As Christians, we are not immune to sin and can even fall back into a Christian lifesyle. (the prodigal son). BUT, if we have Christ in our hearts we will not be able to stay there. There will come an 'aha' moment when our eyes are opened and we think 'what the h-ll am I doing?" I know, if happened for me.

Answer 9

A person who is saved(redeemed)does not continue to sin, a person who does continue to sin is a person who was never truly saved. It is the power of God in you that resists temptation to sin, without it you will return to your vomit. Sin does not have dominion over you because you are saved by grace. God never turns his face from a true believer.

See; Rom 6:14
Prov 26:11

Answer 10

God never turns. He is infinite. We turn. It is sin that brou the loss of spiritual power and death. But know that to Truth, all is truth, and mortal man is untrue and passes away.

Answer 11

Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)

Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)

Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)

Heb. 10:26, 27, RS: “If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.” (Thus the Bible does not go along with the idea that no matter what sins a person may commit after he is “saved” he will not lose his salvation. It encourages faithfulness. See also Hebrews 6:4-6, where it is shown that even a person anointed with holy spirit can lose his hope of salvation.)