Jehovah's Witnesses: if Jesus returned in 1914?

Question

why is the world in such utter chaos? This world isn't the paradise you told me about! where is the kingdom set up and ruling from? I don't see it, help me out here...

are we in judgement day now? I haven't a clue...

how can Jesus have returned invisibly and yet be ruling in heaven? I don't understand.

Answer 1

Jesus took his place at the assention. they are wrong about the 1914 prophecy, and they have been wrong about all of the dates that they have spit up so far.

Answer 2

Are we in judgement day now?

No.

An angel told John at Revelation 17:10. It reads: "There are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does he must remain a short while."

The five kings that had fallen before the 1st century are those kings mentioned in the Bible that have dominated God's people in the past, namely: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece.

The one that "is" was the Roman king that was ruling when the Revelation was given to John. This "religious" Roman king held domination by means of the Roman Catholic Church far beyond the time that historians mark as the fall of the formal Roman Empire.

Finally, as a former Roman colony, the British Empire continued in the place of the Roman king up to the 20th century. The king that had "not yet arrived" (from John's contemporary perspective) has proven to be the Anglo-American king.

When is judgement day?

Rev 13:3 "And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death."

A catastrophic collapse of the Anglo-American dominated system. The democratic capitalist system of things is about to suffer a calamity that has no parallel in ancient or modern history. The downfall of America will rock the world to its very foundation and call into question whether the present global civilization will be able to continue in existence at all.

The terror evoked by the death-stroke upon the Anglo-American system will seem as if the world is ending right then-and-there. This unique and terrifying phenomenon is described in Revelation's prophecy by the unsealing of the 6th seal.

Answer 3

Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. This ushered in the "time of the end" or "last days". This is the time in which the good news would become known in "all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and THEN the end will come".

Armageddon and the Paradise are yet in the future. Christ is ruling in heaven now and preparing for that great day of God.


Note:

his return is invisible in the sense that he did not PHYSICALLY return to Earth to rule. His presence (Greek - parousia) is actually his being given the throne in heaven and taking the kingship. At which time he turns his attention back to the Earth and mankind.

He is ruling in heaven - over the Earth. His return or presence is not a physical return to Earth.

Answer 4

That is such a false teaching that Jesus returned invisibly. This if nothing else should ring a bell about the organization.

Jesus second coming is going to be loud!

Answer 5

You have to note that the Bible talks of Jesus’ presence and also his coming to destroy the wicked.

That Jesus’ pa•rou•si´a is not simply a momentary coming followed by a rapid departure but is, rather, a presence covering a period of time is also indicated by his words recorded at Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 17:26-30. Here “the days of Noah” are compared to “the presence of the Son of man” (“the days of the Son of man,” in Luke’s account). Jesus, therefore, does not limit the comparison just to the coming of the Deluge as a final climax during Noah’s days, though he shows that his own “presence” or “days” will see a similar climax. Since “the days of Noah” actually covered a period of years, there is basis for believing that the foretold “presence [or “days”] of the Son of man” would likewise cover a period of some years, being climaxed by the destruction of those not giving heed to the opportunity afforded them to seek deliverance.

Psalms 110:1 states

110 The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is:
“Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

Jesus began to rule amidst the enemies and is now ruling in heaven. If Jesus is ruling now on the whole earth, then it shouldn’t be so messed up now here on earth, right? But since Jesus is the head of the congregation, we can say that Jesus is leading and ruling at his Christian congregation now on earth but Jesus will rule the whole earth at the time of destruction of the wicked. Mat 25. Dan 2:44

Answer 6

Lets take a look at Revelation, which talks about the Kingdom.


Revelation 12:5-6
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

This is talking about the birth of the Kingdom which was first talked about in the book of Daniel. To make the calculations short, if you add 1,260 + 1,260, you get 2520. Adding that to 607B.C.E, you get 1914.

For end depth study, go here.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/607/introduction.html

Anyway, back to the book of Revelation.

Revelation 12:7-9
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

It states that Michael battle with Satan and his angels, and they were thrown down to the earth. Later, it describes Christ authority.

Revelation 12:10
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.

As you can see, this is when the action of Gods kingdom has taken place, but it does not mark the date of Armageddon (Gods judgment on the earth).

Last it talks about the Earth, and why there is such chaos on the Earth.

Revelation 12:11-12
11They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But WOE TO THE EARTH and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because HE KNOWS THAT HIS TIME IS SHORT"



As you can see, 1914 was the beginning of the last days, not the end of it. If you read Matthew Chapter 24, you will see what events will take place in those last days.
Matthew 24
4 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other.


Most important part...

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Answer 7

Jesus himself said to his disciples: “The sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matt. 24:30) But later on while eating his last supper with his disciples, he said: “A little longer and the world will behold me no more, but you will behold me, because I live and you will live.” (John 14:19) This seeming contradiction is further complicated by the revelation given to the apostle John some six decades later. It reads: “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.”—Rev. 1:7.
Is all this ‘seeing’ and ‘beholding’ to be taken literally? Or could there be some deeper meaning to it? The importance of these questions is illustrated by what happened in the first century of our Common Era, when many Jews were expecting their Messiah.
Is it possible that something similar has occurred in our 20th century? Could it be that millions are wrongly expecting to see Christ arrive literally on the clouds?
We have an immediate clue to these questions in Jesus’ warning to his followers: “If anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you.” (Matt. 24:23-25) This indicates that Christ’s presence will not be visible at this or at that geographical location. Therefore, those claiming to be the returned Christ, or to have seen him “here” or “there,” are either deluded or frauds.
The key to understanding the whole matter lies in the question that four of Christ’s disciples posed to their Master as they viewed Jerusalem and its temple from the nearby Mount of Olives. Jesus had startled them by prophesying that the temple, the very center of Jewish worship at that time, would be utterly destroyed. So they asked him: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence [Greek, parousía] and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
Suffice to say this is Enough for one session, dont you think?

Answer 8

Jesus is back in invisible presence in that he has turned his attention to the earth to separate the sheep(the Faithful) from the goats(those who won't listen to the good news). When the time comes for his return to cleanse this earth those goats will be destroyed. poohbear/ you're the one who is lost and you don't even know it.

Answer 9

Look, don't ask for rationality from these people........the bible clearly states what will happen when Jesus returns, and not even he knows when he comes back.

Of course, the stuff in revelation is figurative though.....

Answer 10

Jehovah's witnesses are just plain lost!!!!