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Rev. 7:9, 10, 17: “After these things [after the apostle John heard the number of those who would be “born again,” those who would make up spiritual Israel and would be with Christ in heaven; compare Romans 2:28, 29 and Galatians 3:26-29] I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: ‘Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.’ . . . ‘The Lamb [Jesus Christ], who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life.’”

After listing many pre-Christian persons of faith, Hebrews 11:39, 40 says: “All these, although they had witness borne to them through their faith, did not get the fulfillment of the promise, as God foresaw something better for us

2007-11-22 10:12:24 · 13 answers · asked by Adamantium 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

, in order that they might not be made perfect apart from us.” (Who are here meant by “us”? Hebrews 3:1 shows that they are “partakers of the heavenly calling.” The pre-Christian persons who had faith, then, must have a hope for perfect life somewhere other than in heaven.)

Ps. 37:29: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”

Rev. 21:3, 4: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

2007-11-22 10:12:31 · update #1

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John 3:5,6; Born again is to be as the angels that do not die Luke 20:34-36;
1Pet.1:15,16,23; to spread the word as the apostles did to be as Rev.12:11;
loving not this life unto death to spread the gospel and this applies to so few of the last days that has existed after Christ Rev.14:1-6, we see 144,000 then an angel fly in the midst of heaven and the everlasting gospel is to be preached on earth to prepare for the judgement day of verse 7;

Rev.20:1-6,12,13; No Satan 1000 years, the heavenly are with Jesus at his coming. From 12, 13; every place is mentioned where a person can be resurrected from as 1Cor.15:22-28,51-53; The heavenly for heaven and the earthly for earth and these to be made as new as before Eden [ as the life sustaining earth was lost and it involved so much of the heavens and it must be here again ]; so all is made new again 2Pet.2:3; Rev.21:1-5;

Eph.2:7; 3:21; The world with Jesus is without end. John 3:16; 17:3,17; All is made new again.

2007-11-22 10:39:09 · answer #1 · answered by jeni 7 · 2 0

If Jesus having been raised from the dead has become the firstborn among many brethren then it would seem that the new birth occurs at the time of the resurrection.

Concerning Hebrews and persons of pre-christian faith, Jesus says it best:

Matthew 8:11-12 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


Clearly those who wish to propagate false teachings can find verses that will allow the student to assume that what is being taught is true. However, the sword of the Truth will destroy every lie. Don't fall for the strong delusion of dual-covenant theology. It's a dead end street.

2007-11-22 13:29:08 · answer #2 · answered by Guardian 3 · 1 0

Born again is to "see" the kingdom of God (not kingdom of heaven): John 3:3, which is located "within you" (of ye/you): Luke 17:21. Born again is also "born of Spirit" (of flesh/Spirit): John 3:6,7; Which is further clarified in 1Peter 1:23 as "born of incorruptible seed" (of corruptible seed/incorruptible seed), which is "Christ" (of Jesus/Christ: Romans 1:3): Galatians 3:16, which is "the end of the law": Romans 10:4, which is "grace" (not law): Romans 6:14,15.

So then, by the process of reasoning, connecting the biblical dots, born again and seeing thereof is not via another law of Romans 8:2 law vs law, but rather via grace of law vs grace.

So then, many Jesus fanatics who go with another law and life in CJ, which end focuses on J rather than on C, are not even born again, let alone saved with the "eternal salvation" of temporal/eternal salvations. And the life they have in CJ is the life of life + death, which is a dead end. For the temporal salvation noted in Jude 1:5 is saved + destroyed afterward.

As for Revelation, it's notably "prophecy" x 7, involving "seven (other) spirits", which makes it a "worse" case scenario noted in Matthew 12:45 and Luke 11:26; Not the "better" thing God provided for us in Hebrews 11, which is notably a hall of shame, not a hall of fame. For as Heb 11 notes: these all died, and received not the promise: obviously a bad ending, called latter end worse instead of latter end better.

Fortunately, since Paul (his witness unto all men) is the author of Revelation, and not John, even Revelation ends grace us for all. Making it to the end alive unto God is another matter, which requires give more earnest heed, to what's been said.

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

2007-11-22 10:57:25 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

The Bible is extremely clean in this project. (a million) God's want is that all and sundry be stored (2 Peter 3:9), His salvation is for whoever will settle for it (Romans 10:13), and all sins of guy are already forgiven (Mark 3:28) (2) the only sin that heavily isn't forgiven is the rejection of God's Salvation...Jesus Christ (Mark 3:28). (3) we can't artwork for our salvation (Eph. 2:8-9), that's a loose present from God. yet we hear the Gospel, have self assurance it, and contact upon Christ Jesus God (Romans 10:14). (4) as quickly as we do, we die to our flesh and are born returned via the spirit of God (John financial disaster 3). (5) whilst a guy or woman is extremely stored, they are in a position to no longer lose their salvation (God provides us "eternal" lifestyles). people who go away have been in no way stored in the 1st place (a million John 2:19)

2016-11-12 10:39:25 · answer #4 · answered by barreda 4 · 0 0

Its amazing to read the responses you have received. I dont believe most of them even read the scriptures you quoted.
The Bible doesnt teach that once saved,always saved. This is not a Bible teaching.
Everlasting life is a gift from God and not something we can earn or are entitled to.
Mat24:13: "He that endures to the end will be saved."

2007-11-22 13:06:06 · answer #5 · answered by lillie 6 · 0 1

BEING BORN AGAIN..

IS SALVATION THROUGH CHRIST

as Jesus said " unless a man be BORN AGAIN he WILL NOT SEE the KINGDOM OF GOD"

And those which are arrayed in white are those cleasned in Righteousness by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB SLAIN FROM ITS FOUNDATION and are made white by the blood through faith in Jesus Christ by being Born Again by it !!!!!!!!

2007-11-22 10:21:14 · answer #6 · answered by hghostinme 6 · 4 1

The old testament saints looked forward to the cross. We look back to the cross.

The cross is the focal point of time and history. Without the cross there would be no forgiveness for the sin of any one person.

2007-11-22 10:17:14 · answer #7 · answered by hisgloryisgreat 6 · 4 1

Only if you have never heard of God or your knowledge is minimal. And children before the age of accountability will be saved. That goes also with people who are ill.

But all the others, NO.

2007-11-22 10:31:43 · answer #8 · answered by Nina, BaC 7 · 0 3

the cross is really something else; the bible only hints.. as do other major religions. to go back, you must suffer.. and only then you will become enlightened or 'born again.'

2007-11-22 10:37:30 · answer #9 · answered by satya 5 · 0 1

One must be saved here and now to go to heaven.You want be born again there,it must
be here while you breath his air.Bible,we have
his word on it.

2007-11-22 10:22:49 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

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