No Real Proof God Is/Isn't Real?

Question

Ok, so in my opinion, God isnt real. When people say God saved my life and i see him every night is just them imagining him because they want to see him. Yes, Jesus was a real man but how can he prove hes the son of God? And if God was real, who invented him? The word 'God' doesn't mean anything anymore, the way religions have changed hundreds of times through recent centuries just proves my point that little bit more. The Bible, no God didnt write it, people just made stuff up and put it in because they want somthing to believe in. Ofcourse this is all just my humble opinion, but really, how can God be really physically real? What is he exactly? If he was real Then why was it said the world was started by a big bang? Also, if he was real then why is there so many different religions believing different ways of what he is? Thanks for reading my views on God, i will read and respect anybody elses answers and give a best fairly, bye

Answer 1

We know and can prove that man creates gods: we've created them thousands of times, all over the planet. However, the opposite is not knowable or provable. There's no reason to inject the supernatural into reality: but if you insist, then the proposition that God created man is pure conjecture – NOBODY knows the supernatural. Period.

The fact that man has created countless gods, from time immemorial, is very compromising to believers. They assert that the gods and religions that came before and after their own are false – but theirs is real and true. Maintaining the falsehood of those thousands of other gods and religions – while claiming the truth of their own – is patently and transparently ridiculous. Sorry, I'm not sure how to contradict strongly held beliefs with civility. You asked for opinions.

I've tried to tackle huge topics in a single answer and usually don’t succeeded well. Sometimes I raise more questions than I answer because space is limited here.

There are a myriad of arguments for or against God. There's no direct evidence for a creator God but it's a proven fact that men create gods. To me, it's necessary to define what you mean by "God" to begin with. For most of us, that means a God defined by a religion.

And that's where the problems start . . . at least for the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). For the remainder of this answer, any mention of "religion" means "Abrahamic religion" for short.

Religions are born into enmity because they try to lay claim to God. This insistence on exclusivity sets up religions for contention unless or until they convert the entire world – thereby eliminating the "competition". This is why, I believe, these religions all await the end-time when God will finally do the eliminating for them.

It's a forgone conclusion that no single religion (much less, denomination!) will win the world on its own. After all, they've had between 1,400 and 3,500 years (Islam and Judaism, respectively) to do so and haven't made any real progress. Christianity, with over 2 billion adherents, leads the pack but Islam, at 1.3 billion, is coming on strong (again). Despite being many centuries older than Christianity or Islam, Judaism has only 14 million adherents. If ANY religion truly is THE right one, I don't believe the competition would have survived this long.

Given all this . . . how are we supposed to decide which religion, if any, is right? The first one? The biggest one? The most sophisticated one? The most realistic one? The competition reduces our choice to a roll of the dice. And why would we go to hell for choosing the wrong one? It's ridiculous. Can God really be so sadistic? And if so, why would you worship him?

No . . .

NO religion can be valid if God exists AND is good. Any entity who could create the universe, would not be so petty as to set up his "intelligent" beings for condemnation. Why would the Creator give us free choice, only to confuse the choice of Creator? I say that if God exists, ALL religions are heretical. If God is good, we wouldn't be killing each other in His name. In the paraphrased words of Stephen Roberts:

"I contend that we are both anti-religion. I just believe in one fewer religion than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible religions, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Oh yes . . . and forget about "Original Sin". It's the biggest lie in the Bible and the foundation of other lies. I am no more accountable for Eve than I am for Hillary Clinton or for you.

I believe God could, or might, exist; but I'm certain that NO religion is valid.

Answer 2

Consider this: Scientists agree that the Big Bang happened roughly 14 billion years ago. They also concur that this was the beginning of time within the universe. Time, as we know it, is something that only exists only within the universe, not outside it. So whatever is outside the universe is not constrained by time, but transcends it. It is an absolute. This fits the typical description of God not having a beginning or end, since beginning and end imply existence within time, which God is not believed to be constrained by. Also, the sheer fact that the universe has a beginning is powerful proof of a God. In Stephen Hawkins book, "A Brief History of Time", he states that when the Big Bang theory was first introduced, it was actually the atheists who were opponents of this idea, because it lent itself so strongly to a created beginning. The idea that everything just always existed fit better with their idea that a God wasn't needed to explain the existence of the universe. It's very peculiar that these views have been switched. Also, look at the rules of the universe. Gravity, math, physics, etc. These rules are all very specific, very strict, and very defined. There's no way that they could have come from completely unguided origins. Also, Stephen Hawkins mentions in his book that had the initial expansion of the universe after the big bang been a tiny little bit faster, everything would have expanded too fast for planets, life, etc life to ever form. Also, had it been a fraction of a fraction slower, the universe would have collapsed back into itself before life would have had a chance to form. The big bang was just perfect. Seems a little too coincidental to me. Anyway, I think these facts, among others that you can search out, show very reasonable proof that the universe was a creation of an intelligent being. Who this intelligent being is, you will have to seek out for yourself.

Answer 3

I've always subscribed to what I call the Prime Mover, the second of Swiss Guard's quotes from Aquinas. Rather than re-hash what he's said, I'll add something of an observation of my own- some things are "provable" after a scientific manner.

For example, most chemistry functions are provable - Does water boil at 212 degrees? Yes, at sea level. Then you get engineerlike and cite the temperature at various elevations and pressures and so forth. This is a scientific, hence "provable" proposition. There are a vast number of scientifically provable propositions. Maybe you and I haven't personally accomplished each one, but we have a high degree of confidence that they exist. You and I may not have personal experience in understanding internal combustion, but for us, it's enough that if we pump gas, the car will go where we want.

Some things are logically, if not scientifically, provable, like the existence of god.

And there is another level at which people believe things- those things that they have personally experienced. This is where your question comes in- how can anyone believe in god if that person (you or me) hasn't personally experienced an event that proves the existence of god? And I can't give you an answer. This is something you either believe or don't.

I gotta admit, there is a level of foolish folderol that we see frequently: Someone will admonish you to "believe in God, see His light as I have seen, and let Him change your life like He has mine!" .... yadda yadda. I think this is more of a sociaological and cultural event- someone asking you to participate in an act (religious worship) that makes him feel good, so maybe it'll make you feel good, too. You wouldn't get angry at someone who urges you to support "dem Yankees in da woild series," because the World Series isn't religious, it's sports. But someone who urges you to believe as they do does annoy you. (Me, too)

So let physicists go with the Big Bang and let fundamentalists go with a narrower view of creation.

You didn't seriously think that anyone here would provide you with answers to your inner questions, did you? Agnostics have been there already and atheists have their own religion ("There is no god" complete with quasi-theology). A few of us aren't sure, but it's good that people like you are asking. You'll find your own answer in your own way.

BTW, Aquinas was one smart guy. Read Swiss Guard's stuff again.

Answer 4

I belive in the science point of view of things. Who knows how the world was made..people were created from some kind of organism...or apparently..we were made by god..he made us just like that and put us on the earth:S? I'm not trying to offend people who are religious not in any way but i don't understand any of it. I went to a catholic elementary school ...we had a class call religion and went to church a coulpe times a week. i just don't believe it. People say if you believe in god if something is going wrong you can talk to him and he will help you through...okay so if you ask for something to happen it all just depends on how it turns out..not if you asked god to do it. I highly doubt if i asked for my uncle to have lived god would have made him all better. Then when religious people are asked why he didnt help there only answer is..god has a plan or..everything happens for a reason .. Not buyin it. Again.. no offence.

Answer 5

No one "invented" God, for one thing. He "invented" all of us. And the word God is the most important word in the world for those who believe. As for religions changing that has no bearing on God or His existence, it just means the religions change. God is real to those who believe in Him and those who don't can choose whatever they want to believe or not. The Bible has undergone many changes and translations and interpretations over the years and is more of a reference than to be taken literally word for word. The Big Bang is just a theory, God is real. There are different religions just as there are different people in the world...can't all have the exact same faith.
It is called faith, and you either have it or you don't, your choice.

Answer 6

There are many things that have happened that can't be explained...yet. There are so many religions worshiping God in different ways because it is human nature not to all agree on one idea and way of doing things. As far as the big bang, what caused that to go into motion? There is so much more to still learn about the creation of the universe, what the scientists will finall conclude, I do not know. Believe is something you either do or you don't.

Answer 7

..I can answere all of your questions easy enough .....
God is real but He isn't flesh..He is spirit..Jesus Is not a created being like we are....What better way to communicate with the people you love than to be one of them , and that's what He did , He came here and dwelt among us...And if He wasn't God He certainly wouldn't still be so famous ...Rumours don't last this long...God has no begining He is 'infinite" while we are finite..and if we could figure Him out completely well then He wouldn't be so great...There are so many different religions with more popping up daily because we have a deceiver among us who has been at his job successfully for thousands of years ...And that is how he hurts God most , we are God's most precious creation His children what better way to hurt a parent then by hurting and decieving His children ..Oh he's good alright ! He was so good at it look at eve he didnt go to adam a man would have had to much pride and would have turned him down ..no I ain't eating that... but satan knew a womans influence with men ..of course she could talk him into it ..and Bam' there ya go.. And about the big bang thang...lol...I would like to tell you , some scientists (big bangers) evolutionists whatever..if you will ,were given
a bag of bones marked "new find' they were asked to try to put it together to see what new creature/species we might have ..they painstakingly with a thorough hand did this and did a great job..when they were finished it was a new very cute little dinosaur with scales & new name and all..but what they didnt know is that what they were given were simple"POODLE BONES" ..and this is just one of a thousand things the general public will not ever hear about ..So if I were you , study every faith, religion, belief , science that there is like I did and I decided for myself ..what was right for me..it is your life ...I actually went to the library ..lol..read books ..worked for what I learned and I let no one influence me ...Good luck friend ...I hope this helped.. Leah....

Answer 8

I so appreciate your questions and concerns. I see in all that you said a searching heart! I searched for many years, questions, doubts, reality, fear etc. I had several things happen in my life that just kept bringing me back to the possibility of God being real. I was stationed in Spokane Washington at Fairchild AFB and went to a place that overlooked the Spokane river and was absolutely gorgeous. I kept thinking "Oh how beautiful, surely there must be a God". Not long after that I was invited to go to a little old lady's house who lived on a lake just outside Spokane. Her name was Mildred, she has now gone on to her reward. We were going to water ski off of her dock. She was so sweet to us. We were not so sweet to her! She poured out her heart to us and was so gentle and kind. I had never seen such a loving person. She was the epitome of love and represented Christianity like I had never, ever seen before! She showed me by her actions that God was indeed real. I would encourage you to go to a private place and just talk to God as though He really does exist and ask him to reveal Himself to you in a way that only you would know for sure!
I know He will and I will pray for you.

Answer 9

This is going to be long but I'll try to address your question as thoroughly as possible.

The first thing you have to believe about God is that he (and I'm just using the masculine pronoun for simplicity's sake) is beyond the purview of our material senses. There is much evidence that lends itself to the idea of the existence of God, but the fact remains that we cannot "capture" God in our labs. Since we are finite and God is infinite (if God was not infinite he would not be God), it is impossible for us to comprehend or understand God without him allowing us to.

Also, God is the only thing without a cause. If something else created God, that entity would be God. The German philosopher Hegel said that Reality must be By Itself and For Itself. By itself meaning that there is no other entity greater than or equal to it (if there was a greater entity then that entity would be God), and For Itself meaning that it exists to fulfil its own purpose (if it existed to serve anyone else that other entity would be God).

So the basic attitude of many atheists is going about the idea the wrong way: they think that since they can't see God with their material senses that God must not exist. This would be true if God was a material entity. But God is a spiritual entity, and we cannot see God because our consciousness is covered by material energy. And, again, if we could capture God in our consciousness, he would be under our control, and therefore he would not be God.

God may, from time to time, choose to take a physical body, but does so of his own will, as opposed to us, who have to take birth whether we want to or not.

There are many different theological systems, and all of them point towards the same direction, not all of them reflect the same amount of truth. Just as there is a plurality of planets in our solar system, each of which reflects a different amount of light, there is a plurality of theistic systems, all revolving around one absolute truth. Some reflect more truth than others.

The idea of the Big Bang may not be compatible with all theistic systems, but it is compatible with some. Most notably I am thinking of Vedic (ancient Indian) truth, which places the creation of this system about 4.3 billion years ago (a day of Brahma), which is similar to what scientists say about the the formation of this solar system. The Big Bang theory implies that an extraordinary amount of energy (beyond what we can comprehend) was discharged at once, expanding and coalescing into matter. Who or what is the source of this energy? It has to have come from somewhere.

The sad thing is that there are millions, if not billions, of "people of faith" whose faith is actually blind faith, which is diseased faith. But if that distinction exists, then seeing faith must be possible. Considering how much disagreement there is among religious people, real or "seeing" faith doesn't seem to be that common. The only way to develop true faith (which I do not claim to have, by a long shot) is to develop an attitude of humble inquiry towards the Absolute. As soon as your mind can open to the possibility, the Absolute Truth can make itself known to you.

Atheists will never see God as long as their mind is made up about it.

Answer 10

If you are really interested in others' words visit this blog: http://www.storyreaders.blogspot.com and click on "My Thoughts". There are many paragraphs at different dates. This may be little or more different to you. From the beginning God was seen (not by physical eyes) in a different way. There is another way. If you read this view you may come to a conclusion.