Does anyone agree with me? Issue Iraq.?

Question

It is not the fact that we are in Iraq I find shameful.

It is the fact we dropped 55,000 bombs reported by the strategic bomber who was in charge of calculating where to bomb and what bombs to use. He gave the figure the a civilian life loss was 30 per bomb.

The fact that George Bush disregarded all check valves for overacting. United Nations and Congress. Declared war.

The current revelation that this war was suppose to be self funded by the oil and 1.6 trillion has been taken from our economy. In addition this occupation is leaning on future social security as revealed on CSPAN.

In addition as the proclaimed most powerful military why are our soldiers being mangled and killed. We don't have the capability of securing the city of Bagdad with 180,000 troups.
The entire country is the approximate size of California.

Babe believes Bush knows better than all other congress and world leaders the need to declare war.
Babe doesn't mind paying 1.6 trillion and your future security to seek revenge as well as kill innocent civilians. You do realize Saddam is not alive. That was done with in a month.

I am taking my position as citizen of US to question anything and everything I don't agree with. In past wars the leaders were allowed to send 100,000 to their slaughter and just get away with it. In France. If they refused to go they were shot. Lets keep on questioning and make sure everything is being done to protect lives on both side. You can not give me the life loss of Iraq civilians because our government has refused to count and disclose this info.

This is Kojak let us assume any unarmed person is a civilian. From what I seen reported these people are completely unarmed and use their family vehicles to fight against our occupation.

When you randomly drop this many bombs it sound more like a genocide than a search for terrorist. This based on knowing we have the capability of dropping 1 bomb that penetrated Sadams bunker.

My assertion of our not securing Bagdad is based on the soldier deaths being higher last month.

Don't tell me what I find shameful as I said it was the way Bush declared war, knowingly killed 30 civilians per 55,000 bombs. It only took 1 bomb to penetrate Saddam's bunker.

The information about using the oil to pay for their own protection was learned on CSPAN as well as the use of our future social security to fund this war.

I saw Bush on television months before October 2002 declare war. With my own eyes from his lips.

Answer 1

Another thing I don't understand is that all he asks of the American people is to go out and buy something. Normally, when we are at war, the taxes are raised or there is a sur tax rather than funding it with foreign debt. There should be a draft if this will continue for years. Not enough people support the Iraq war to depend on a volunteer military. How many times can these same people keep going back? His whole approach to this is unrealistic.

Answer 2

You have a lot of antiquated, erroneous and simply wrong information in you bias political rant.

"It is not the fact that we are in Iraq I find shameful."

Now you know you lied here .....You do find our envolvement in Iraq "shameful'.....you even believe it is a waste and illegal....

"He gave the figure the a civilian life loss was 30 per bomb."

"Civilian life"..... how exactly do you determine which are terrorists and which are terrorists. Do you have secret formula?? Your statement is inflamatory and on the face of it, wrong. Our National policy is to minimumize loss of innocent lives (collateral damage).....we go to extreme measure NOT to kill civilians.....often riskng our own lives to avoid it. In stead of using mass bombings......we spend millions making smart bombs so that we can only kill the bad guys.....and those that support them.

"he fact that George Bush disregarded all check valves for overacting. United Nations and Congress. Declared war. "

The President CAN NOT declare war.....War has not been declared...... and NOTHING can be done by the President without the approval and support of Congress.

"he current revelation that this war was suppose to be self funded by the oil"....

HOW ?.....Not with Iraqi oil....Iraqi oil is handled by the United Nations.....all profits go to the Iraqi people.....not one dime comes to us.....even though we spend millions repairing and modernizing the Iraqi oil system. Without this war it is HIGHLY likely the Iraqi oil industry would have collapsed long ago.

"We don't have the capability of securing the city of Bagdad with 180,000 troups."

This question discloses how little you know about counter-terror operations or how they are fought. AND.....most of Iraq is VERY secure.....your assertion is fallacious and out of date.

"Babe doesn't mind paying 1.6 trillion and your future security to seek revenge...."

This war was NEVER about "revenge".....again you reveal your bias and lack of knowledge

"You do realize Saddam is not alive. That was done with in a month."

Again you display a lack of appreciation for the geopolitical realities of the region

"Lets keep on questioning and make sure everything is being done to protect lives on both side."

You fail to appreciate that when you question.....especially when you ask uninformed questions....you give "aid and comfort' to the enemy and cause MORE troops to be killed.

"You can not give me the life loss of Iraq civilians because our government has refused to count and disclose this info"

You imply some nefarious government conspiracy to hide some shameful information.....in complance with Occum's Razor.....the simplest answer is.....we do not know who is civilian......who is a terrorist supporter.....and who is a terrorist

Beyond that...... What useful purpose would such data provide? Are you mplying that if we suddenly reach some "magic' number of civilian lives lost .....we will suddenly declare the war too costly? MILLIONS of civilian lives were wasted in WW II.....Dresden which had NO military value was
fire bombed....millions of civilians died.....thousands of years of history andart was needlessly destroyed......should we have quit and allowed the Nazi's to continue the holocaust?

Your are illogical and simplistic

Answer 3

1- Congress Authorized Military Action against Iraq in October 2002, so it is, and has been authorized.

2- United Nations isnt among the Constitutions consenting institutions as to whether a Nation goes to war.

3- 180,000 Troops arent in Baghdad, all you've shown is your incredible Ignorance to the situation in Iraq.

4- We are the most Powerful Military on the Planet, Point of fact, doesnt need for us to Proclaim that. No ther Country can project Force as far from our Country as the USA.

5- Your gibberish has no supporting documentation, and is barely literate in nature.

Answer 4

And what is Hillary's plan?...... Lets consider first that the Clinton's ARE liars...... and I'm certainly NOT voting for this Clinton package of lies! Hillary has high negative ratings. There are a lot of people that REALLY dislike her these are a few of the reasons: -- Hillary is the liberal media's sweetheart, but not America's sweatheart -- The Clintons LIE and her husband was impeached for lying and committing purjury -- Her failed healthcare program under her husband -- Her shrieking voice that grates on people -- She doesn't look presidential -- She is very liberal even more than her husband, but bends (lies) politically to pick up votes and reverts back. This is called a "phony." -- This would bring her husband back into politics and many people do not like that idea. -- Her husband also has high negative approval ratings. -- White Water fraud We've had almost twenty years of the clinton-bush dynasty. Aren't we ready for a freakin break? If we vote in the shrieking b-i-t-c-h, the dynasty could go to almost THIRTY years. Then Jeb Bush could add another eight years??! Please, we need a change!!! . .

Answer 5

Everyone who already answered has covered this quite well, so I'll fill in the blanks they didn't...

---We are winning (and Democrats are not happy)
---Social Security was has been drained for a long time, and they have made no move to privatize or to keep their paws off of it...both should happen.
---We have less deaths now than in the beginning of the war
---This isn't an oil war---WE WERE ATTACKED ON 9/11 in case you forgot.
---The UN is a corrupt organization that we shouldn't have any affiliation with, that is the only group I can think of that runs less efficiently than our own government and we pay 22% of the UN budget, the UN has failed to stop genocide or keep peace anywhere effectively, so we should withdraw and let them figure out who will come up with such a large chunk of the budget.

Is there anything else my friends and I on answers can help you with, GRANNY? Did you feel this way during WWII ?

Answer 6

I like this part of your rant:
"In addition as the proclaimed most powerful military why are our soldiers being mangled and killed."

Yeah, we lose more troops back home in automobile accidents than we do in combat.

So our military is so effective that they are actually safer while in a "combat zone" than back home driving around on a weekend from a statistical standpoint.

I guess people like you would only be happy if there was absolutely no violence in Iraq period.

Would 180,000 troops be able to stop all murders in the state of California? I think not...

What your suggesting is just an impossibility.

I guess someone has to be stupid so that people like me seem smart, good work.

Answer 7

Most Iraqi deaths since the beginning of the war have not been caused by American actions. Most of that is from other Iraqis, or foreign fighters in the country who are hell-bent on causing as much mayhem and destruction as possible. The Congress approved Bush's actions, and the UN was incapable of any action, so that point is moot. Saddam got away with killing far more of his own countrymen during his time in power than we OR the insurgents are responsible for, and the UN had plenty of time to try and put a stop to it. They didn't. You make it out to seem like we're bleeding to death there, but we're not. Do you know how many Americans died in the first two days of Gettysburg? What the average survival ratio for a lieutenant in the Vietnam War was? The numbers of American deaths in any other war in our history that has lasted this long? Given the ruthless and indiscriminate nature of the gangs of thugs we're fighting, we have a pretty damn good success ratio and chance of survival--and this is coming from someone who has been there. Skewing reality to make this endeavor look hopeless isn't helping the Iraqis, or us.

EDIT: Raybdog--did you arrive at that opinion from fighting in Iraq yourself? We know quite well who the enemy is. The enemy happens to be very good at using the populace to hide itself, and at threatening or convincing the populace (depending on where you're talking about) to cooperate. It's not a shooting gallery by any stretch of the imagination. Believe me--we're much, much better at killing them than they are at killing us.

EDIT: It's well within your right to question, and I'd rather you did than didn't. However, whom do you think knows more about what's really happening in Iraq; the people who are fighting there, or people back home who haven't even been there and form their opinions based on what they're shown on TV? Do you really that politicians opposed to the war aren't doing everything they can to capitalize on it? That's how this Congress got elected; and they have yet to suggest any viable alternatives or solutions to a problem they really care nothing about. All they've tried to do is increase their own salaries and benenfits (hint--Pelosi's insistence on a bigger personal jet) and tried to hamstring troops in combat, as well as circumventing the President's constitutional power of commander-in-chief. I might even have an ounce of respect for them if they were at least trying to be constructive and think of an actual solution instead of prematurely trying to pull the plug and doom an entire region to decades of further instability. Their actions also show that they care nothing for all the sacrifice, effort, and hard work that so many of us have put into this mission to see it succeed.

Also... anyone who relies entirely on Social Insecurity to provide for them in retirement is a fool. That's why there are IRA's, 401k's, and such a thing as "preparing for retirement". Social Insecurity is a joke, and the money the government takes from peoples' paychecks to fund it could be much better spent on those people's individual retirement savings.

Answer 8

You seem to contradict a lot of reality here...

Congress supported us going in.

The 1.6 trillion is acknowledged by just about everyone to be a huge inflation of the actual amount.

According to the New York Times, people are moving back into Baghdad and the people have resumed normal lives.

Go on living in your made up world, it appears to be what makes you happy. You like a US that is losing and people are dying. That's sad.

Answer 9

Get over it. Bush did the right thing..we are winning! Happy Thanksgiving!

Answer 10

It's exactly the kind of conflict that cannot be "won" in the conventional sense.

The problem is, we're not at war, we're just occupiers.

Yes, I'm tired of seeing our forces put into such an intractable situation - they're litterally in a shooting gallery, not knowing who the enemy is.

This is the way occupations usually go, BTW.