With respect, how does mentioning someone many times make them one with you. I have mentioned my two sisters in the same sentence as myself. Does that make us a trinity?
We must have faith but we must also use our power of reason. Ask yourself why Jesus would say that the "father is greater than I am" if he weren't. Why is he always saying that he is doing his father's will. Why was he always praying... and to whom, if he were God? Then there are other scriptures outside the Gospels that show us he was not part of a trinity ... equal to his father.
Phillipians 2:6
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Footnote:
Or in the form of
New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society
ESV - Phl 2:6 - who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles
The New Catholic Encyclopedia itself says that the concept of the Trinity was not taught by the early christians and that it was nopt adopted by the church until the 4th century.
2007-11-21 04:10:53
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answered by Q&A Queen 7
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enable's think of of... anyone agree the father is God, so enable's bypass it away. it is sparkling that Jesus is God (John a million:a million; John 20:28; Acts 20:28; Romans 9:5; Heb a million:6; Titus 2:13; Jude a million:4; Rev a million:17-18; 1ºJohn 5:20; Colos 2:9; etc... etc...) The Holy Spirit is God too. he's subsequently of the fact... he's omniscient (1ºCor 2:10); he's omnipresent (Psalm 139:7); he's eternal (Hb 9:14). Peter reported as him God (Acts 5:3-4). Paul stated God stay indoors our physique (1ºCo 3:sixteen) and he stated that's the Holy Spirit who dwells in our physique (1ºCo 6:19). He additionally reported because of the fact the Holy Spirit God, subsequently. Jesus commaned a baptism in basically one call for 3 human beings in this call (Mat 28:19). John improve into extra sparkling: "For there are 3 that undergo witness in heaven: the father, the be extensive wakeful, and the Holy Spirit; and those 3 are one". (1ºJohn 5:7 - kjv). Paul additionally made it sparkling through means of the trinitarian blessing: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the affection of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen". (2º Cor 13:14). Bellow you have some verse the placement you spot Father, Son and Holy Spirit working collectively for mankind salvation... Titus 3:4-6; 1ºPeter a million:a million-2; John 14:sixteen; Rev a million:4-5; Jude a million:20-2; Mat 3:sixteen-17. some human beings say the trinity is from Nicea, besides the indisputable fact that that's a large LIE. The Fathers os church interior the previous 325 d.C spoke with connection with the trinity. Irenaeus (a hundred twenty five-202aD); Justin Martyr (a hundred-a hundred sixty 5 advert) and Clement of Alexandria (a hundred fifty-215 advert) are stable examples. Clement stated Christ is "extremely deity thoroughly manifested". Justin testified the Holy Spirit improve into worshiped through means of the persons.
2016-10-17 15:08:07
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answered by ? 4
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The Arian controversy during the Council of Nicaea was a theological dispute of the divinity of Jesus. One side believed that the Son was of the same substance as the Father (homoousians), Greek for ‘same substance’, co-eternal with him. The Arians believed that they were different and that the Son, though he may be the most perfect of creations, was only a creation.
A third group (now known as homoiousians) tried to make a compromise position, saying that the Father and the Son were of similar substance. The debate wasn’t as fantastic as Dan Brown described it in the Da Vinci Code, but it was an old argument that they had been debating since the Synods of Antioch between 264 and 269. In fact, on the list of “to-do’s” at the Council of Nicaea, dealing with Arius was the very first topic.
Well, Arius was excommunicated and the Council agreed, through their interpretation of the Bible, that Jesus was begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were, yada yada yada, you’ve heard it before.
So this was when the “Trinity” was created. They invented this three in one God that Christians still know and worship today.
2007-11-21 04:15:40
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answered by dougfr007 3
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The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to adequately explain it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are, therefore we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean it is not true or not based on the teachings of the Bible.
Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. With the introduction out of the way, Bible verses will be given in discussion of the Trinity.
1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).
5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)
onegammyleg,you're just like Charles Taze Russell you've been programmed to know the words of the bible,however,you understand little of it.
I take it you have studied the life of Charles?And in that found how easily influenced he was?No matter what he believed at the time every time when someone told him what they believed about GOD he then believed what they believed.Very sad how you can follow such a feeble minded flip flopping "Christian".I do however believe charles wanted to know the true word of GOD but was to blinded from trying to come up with his own interpretation because he was scared of the FACT that there IS a HEll.
And if you don't know who Charles is,well then,I suggest you study the creator of the religion you follow.
2007-11-21 04:01:30
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answered by expostulating_mountebank 2
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This is the only trinity I have found in the bible,
Harper’s Bible Dictionary
Baal / Bel ,
“Baal translates into English is Lord”
(Do you worship the Lord?)
Baal is the offspring (son) of El, (Hebrew for God)”
(Do you worship the Son of God?)
Baal is worshiped as a triad / trinity.”
(Do you worship a trinity of Gods?)
(Do you worship Baal?)
Where did I hear this teaching recently?
Sounds like a teaching of Satan, What do you think?
Who is fulfilling this prophecy?
(Jeremiah 23:27) 27 They are thinking of making my people forget my name by means of their dreams that they keep relating each one to the other, just as their fathers forgot my name by means of Ba´al.
(Psalm 83:18) 18 That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
Even if ‘Sam’ is a Grandfather, Father, and Son, Sam still has only one will, unless he is mentally disturbed or Sam is three different individuals. Sam Sr., Sam Jr., & Sam III.
It is by God’s will we have salvation.
2007-11-22 23:49:20
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answered by TeeM 7
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The concept of the Trinity was acquired by Christianity after the Council of Nicea by Emperor Constantine in 325 AD, where Pagans and Christians beliefs were united.
2007-11-21 03:59:11
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answered by Aeon Enigma 4
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the father , the son and the holy spirit are mentioned but the concept that are three person and equal, never.
not because you mention three thnigs or persons means that are the same or equal.....
2007-11-21 03:53:16
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answered by Anonymous
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Thats rite , the trinity is a well known but pagan teaching incorporated into Christianity during the great apostasy in the first century.
True Christians reject such a falsehood created by Satan to obscure the true identity and nature of God and Christ.
For more Bible based info please feel free to email me.
2007-11-21 04:10:11
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answered by I♥U 6
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Yes, but the Trinity isn't in the bible because the word isn't. The concept of purgatory is there, but not the actual word.
2007-11-21 03:54:00
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answered by Anonymous
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