in the 10 commandments it says thou shall not kill, but in deuteronomy...?

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and other parts of the bible it says stuff like this:
Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)
wouldn't we consider this murder by today's standards?

gonna be a mommy, oh i'm sorry, i thought there was a difference between speaking your mind and killing another person. apparently, god thought differently. certainly, anyone who spoke their own mind deserved the same punishment as a cold-blooded killer back then. right?

i don't know what's sadder, the fact that you all don't believe this to be a contradiction, or the fact that you support it. interesting...

so are you all saying it's ok to follow this standard today? that if you did it it wouldn't be murder because it's how god expects you to punish the nonbelievers?

how do you all justify the death penalty based on someone speaking their mind? i understand some people should be put to death. but to say because someone doesn't believe what you believe, that person should be killed is absurd. it's murder.

so if i killed every christian here, that wouldn't be considered murder, it would only be considered punishment, right? that is what you all are saying. i mean, there's a chance you all could be wrong and are worshiping the wrong god, i.e. jesus, and thus this new covenant you speak of is a lie, and we should still be going old law then. shouldn't you all be put to death?

gershon, this is not a call for turning people into the authorities. what these verses are saying to for every person to go out and kill those who don't believe in god. there is no misconception in reading the following:
"Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you."
it is very clear that the responsibility lies on you.

Answer 1

Honesty, some of these answers are scary. Really. Instead of using your mind and thinking, you'll come up with a flimsy canned response like "murder is not the same as punishment by death" just to reconcile a morally relavistic justice system which is clearly outdated?

That's a joke, right? How about the message, which says that you're supposed to KILL someone who doesn't have the same religion as you? What happened to freedom of religion, or was killing people for their religion OK in biblical times and freedom of religion is only a good thing today?

Answer 2

It seems as if you have a misconception about the frequency of the death penalty and the idea that anyone could do it.

It was so difficult to convict someone of something that had a death penalty that if it happened once every hundred years, it was considered a bloody Sanhedrin.

In order to be convicted, witnesses had to meet certain tests. One of these tests was that the witness had to be specifically looking for that crime to be committed in order to testify. Sounds crazy, but that's the way it was. Also, all testemony by all witnesses had to be identical. There can be no differences in even minor details.

To be convicted a person had to be brought before the Sanhedrin with I think 22, maybe 26 judges and half had to vote for conviction. Since the standards of conviction are virtually impossible to meet, they seldom occurred.

If a person committed an offense punishible by death and was not convicted, then G-d would take care of it when He thought it was appropriate.

Many of the death penalties in the Torah are there to show how serious the act was and not with the intent that they would be frequently carried out.

Since the Jews have not had a Sanhedrin since shortly after the destruction of the second temple, there could not have been a death penalty after that. Since this part of the Torah was given to Israel, not to anyone else, there has been no legal death penalty as a result of this passage since then.

Answer 3

Both prophecy and dreams were legitimate forms of revelation. The fulfillment of a prophecy a sing or a wonder ordinarily validated the entire message of the prophet ( Deut 18: 22 ) Even if a wonder accompanied the message, a prophet who led the people away from the living God was a false prophet.

The revelation of God through Moses was the test of any sign or message. When the message was deviated from God's prior prior revelation, Israel had to discern the false teaching. Love...heart ad...soul...True faith is a commitment of one's whole being to the true God.

The offense was serious ans so was the punishment, death. It was better for a false prophet to be executed than for one to escape judgment and mislead people.

So you shall put away the evil from your midst: Discipline, punishment, and testing were God's means of keeping His people pure.

God will always protect His Word. Luckily His Word is already so widespread that He does not have to take so extreme measures anymore. More an more false teachers have surfaced, but they do not do a tiniest harm on God anymore. We all have free will. I am happy for the new covenant.

You can call it murder. YES. And I am sure it was, but it not like it was not warned about. I would call it punishment.

Answer 4

Evidently it is "Thy shall not murder". It cannot be Thy shall not kill" because killing is a human trait. Where would we be without war. Humans have killed humans since time began in the name of war. Both sides believe God is on their side. I pray for the human race that something will change. If it doesn´t then as I see it we will all be doomed.

EDit; Killing is wrong in any shape or form, you cannot get away from that fact.

Answer 5

No.
First:- the version you are reading mistranslated the word to "kill", it should have been "murder". -which means to kill without reason. That alone should solve the problem-but wait!
Second:- this command was actually a "law" given only to a very specific people during a very specific time for a very specific reason, and not meant for you or anyone else.
So, no-it is not murder. There is no conflict here.

Answer 6

LOL the bible was not written in English. THE KJV of the bible is a translation from the original language of ancient scrolls. Thou shalt not kill does not mean what it says in the original text. It means you shouldn't commit first degree murder not in a time or war, or for self defense, or ostentiablyy in this particular religion god is saying it's okay to kill non-believers as well. (Kinda sounds like Allah doesn't he)

Answer 7

First he is God and who are we to question him. He made us and not the other way around. In the ten commandments he speaks on committing a sin or causing unjustifiable harm to another.

Answer 8

but that covenant finished according to Ephesians 2:15 with Jesus´s death.

Answer 9

The ten comandments are talking about murder, not the "death penalty". God is simply saying that those who do evil amidst us will get their just reward for their actions.

Answer 10

No. By today's standards - if being accurate is something that you are interested in, it would be the Death Penalty.