for all the atheist - for the third time?????

Question

i am putting up my question for the third time - as in the previous two all you get is emotional attack from yahoo atheist users - please do not be offented if you cannot answer the question!

the question is can you all please come up with a new though based on NO previous information!
if you can please enlighten me with one.......and if you cannot please ask yourself 'if i cannot come up with a new thought, how did the first monkey, ape or human'?

all of you atheists keep saying trial and error....but this is bogus because you can use ur trial and error now and come up with a new thought can't u? no did'nt think so.

this is not a personal attack on anyone just wanted to find some answers from atheists!

Answer 1

The problem is that it is still a facile "question" ... and expressed even more incoherently than your previous attempts

Now, stop bothering the grown-ups by trying to be clever.




BTW, did you ever find the "male lubricant" you were looking for last month?

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Answer 2

I am not an atheist, but I'm going to answer anyway. At least, the best I can. I'm not real sure what the problem with the previous answers have been. I'm not real sure what the question has been. Isn't everything that anyone knows based on some previous information? Even Pavlov's dogs knew that when they heard the bell they were going to eat. I really don't understand your stance, what the issue is or what you are trying to prove. You just want a new thought about anything? You can't even come up with a new question. How can anyone (atheists, Christians, monkeys, superheroes) come up with something that isn't based on some previous knowledge? By the time our brains are capable of having a thought, any thought we have will be based on previous information. How about you give us an example of what you are looking for, then I will be happy to indulge you. Until that time, you make no sense.

Answer 3

Well of course we can come up with new thoughts based on information being processed. Have you heard of Pavlov's dog? It is one of the simplest forms of learning. Associative learning. We connect two simultaneously occurring events to infer consequence. You need a good psychology book covering learning and memory.

The problem is that fail to see that the body is always gathering information. Touch, sight, sound, smell - all information processed by different apsects of the body.

You are assuming that information is purely that which is told. far from it. Converse with another human being - 70% of the conversation is body language - yozu process this information even if you are not aware of it.

Even single celled life gathers and processes information.

Now I see where you may be trying to go with this - how could we come up with the idea of God with out receiving information about him being there. I'll demonstrate how. Read your Bible and the clue is in the first Chapter. God created man in his image. Why is it so? It is so because man created God in his image. Man could not envisage a different form and so used the human form. Your implied argument falls apart.

Now this is the third time that you have asked this question. I don't want to be a pain but I have satisfactorily answered it. If the question appears a fourth time then it will be seen a spamming and that is against the YA guidelines. Somebody will report you.

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Answer 4

"but this is bogus because you can use ur trial and error now and come up with a new thought can't u? no did'nt think so."

What is the point of asking a question if you are going to answer it for us??? The answer is YES!

Here is an example which I hope you can understand:
"OUCH! I just burned myself getting too close to that fire. It hurt alot! Here is a NEW THOUGHT, maybe I shouldnt get that close to fire anymore because it hurts me."

Now this is an obvious example and doesnt apply to most adult since we learned this NEW THOUGHT when we were children. But it can still apply for example to really spicy food that you didnt know was spicy before.

Your arguement really doesnt make any sense. If we couldnt form new thoughts we would not be able to learn anything as we grew up from infancy.

Answer 5

I went back to your first question to try and figure out what you were trying to ask. How did man get his information. How did any animal get its information. Fire is hot. Even apes know that. How to use a tool. Apes in this day and age use them, why not throughout time. Birds even use tools. The physical instinct for survival has nothing to do with thinking about water as something we drink it is a natural process. Apes do not THINK about defecating they just do it since it is natural. All animals have to eat so they do. Some figure out what is edible and does not kill you so they are the smarter ones who's offspring live. Those that eat something that is deadly don't have offspring. Many things happen by chance. How did man INVENT soap. It is an unusual process with fire and ash and animal fat and somehow all slopped together and processed. Man or apes did not create that but they discovered unusual properties of some slop in the fire pit and eventually used that to clean themselves, and then THOUGHT about what it does and moved forward from there. Trail and error is a higher brain function, but using a small stick to dig ants out of a log is a basic intelligence which apes in the wild demonstrate. You are asking how does one come up with a new thought with no previous information. NO PREVIOUS INFORMATION cannot exist. We breath. That in itself is previous information. If I stand under a waterfall and try and breath it doesn't work so I am going back to my previous information that I have to breath some place other than under a waterfall or under water. I see dinner run off as I come up. I chase but cannot catch it. I have an arm, previous information, and can hold a rock, previous information, and can throw it, possibly previous information, and with a little practice can hit dinner before it gets out of sight present information. If you are even conscious and open your eyes then you have pervious information that closing your eyes makes it dark and opening them makes it lighter. There cannot be anything as no previous information.

Answer 6

Umm... I really would like to answer your question, but it is just so incoherent that I just cannot understand what you are going on about.

I did get the part about epistemology, I think. People come up with new ideas that are not based on old ones through experimentation. The theory of relativity was the product of thought experiments done in Einstein's head about the speed of light and its effects. The kinetic theory of matter was a product of Epicurus thinking about the nature of matter. It is from asking yourself "what if..." that you can come up with a truly original thought not based on any previous information.

Similarly, apes could have just thought "What if I used that stick as a tool?" without having to base that thought on previous information.

I hope that this answers your question.

Answer 7

Why do you need these answers? So you can say: 'You see...?' 'You see?' 'These people don't know!' That's the impression you give me.
Monkeys descend from other rodents who lived in the forests. You can trace it all back to microbiology. If you want to study evolution; don't be fixated on natural selection only. Have a look at sexual selection - the idea of sexual selection explains that evolution goes very fast in certain circumstances. (Females prefer certain males, and the offspring is born with the genes that define the preference of the father, and also the characteristics of the father that the mother prefered). You can study these things, but they're sensitive for many religious people because the idea is that the power is for women and not for men.

Answer 8

You typed: "the question is can you all please come up with a new though based on NO previous information!"

So here's a "new though" -- Spaciousness hardly adds up to square paint on a door knob."

You also typed: "how did the first monkey, ape or human'?"

Here's my response to that: it crossed the road but forgot to take.

Finally, you typed: "just wanted to find some answers from atheists!"

My final response is: If you want to find some answers, you have to know how ask the right questions and you have to know where to look for the answers. You can barely put together a sentence.

Answer 9

You're basing the question on a false premise. You haven't got an answer because the question is nonsense. The first 'person' to say the word "Ma", referring to its mother, was using previous information. Noise, to a person or animal, is information. Whether they make the noise or hear it, it is information, and how someone responds to the information, makes use of it, can vary enormously. Previous information is inescapable. It is from the innovation in the responses to previous information that the minutia of evolution emerges. The successful innovation, whatever it is, then becomes previous information, indistinguishable from the rest.

Answer 10

Of COURSE people can come up with an thought based on no previous information.
Of course, as adults we don't REMEMBER the first time we had a thought that didn't require previous information, so we can not give you the specifics you seem to be looking for about exactly what those thoughts were.
Do you think that babies don't have thoughts? They have no previous information to work with, and yet they think as much as any adult. Thoughts begin as simple observations. What things look like, what they sound like, what they smell like, etc. Then they begin to become more complicated, again, through observation. How things react to other things, ("This moves when I push it", "When I cry, my Mom comes into the room and picks me up.") The older you get, the more complcated thoughts become. ("When lightening struck, that wood burned. Can I burn wood? When I rub my hands together, they get hot, if I rub two pieces of wood together, will they get hot enough to become fire?") So while man might not be able to just randomly know that rubbing wood together can heat it up until it catches on fire, does use a combination of thoughts (aquired through no previous experience) to come to that knowledge. Previous knowledge is required for some thought *processes*, but not everything. There are plenty of thoughts that living creatures come up with on their own.
Either way, you seem to be trying to use this as some sort of argument for the existence of God, and there is nothing in this challenge to show for God's existence.

Answer 11

your question is still cr@p. Apes have thoughts in their minds as do all mammals. so neither them or early humans had to create a thought out of nothing.
Thoughts evolve just like we did and.
You can not create a thought with no previous information because we have information in our brains.
If you wiped all the information so that someones mind was empty their senses would put more information in.
Your argument just shows your ignorance.
Look at agriculture to start with we did not have this skill. But over time people would have noticed old seeds lying around their cave shooting. and put 2 and 2 together. that is all it takes.
One observation evolves into millions of thoughts and possibilities over many years