If the Old Testament laws were abolished at Christ's death...?

Question

...then why are the Ten Commandments still considered the ultimate rule of every sect of Christianity? They're in the OT.

primoa, that doesn't make sense. I've asked people about the laws about eating pork and women having to go away while on their period, and I always hear that "When Christ died those Old Testament laws were done away with." But when things like the 10 Commandments, the things that say gay people are evil, and other things that people *like* come up I get answers like yours. You can't pick and choose which parts of a holy book you choose to follow, if that's your thing.

< sigh >

Makes no sense, but thank you for your answers.

Abolished, fulfilled, whatever... You know what I mean. There are certain laws that people say we have to follow and ones that people say Jesus's death made us not have to follow (like pork, stoning, and whatever). There isn't a list somewhere in the NT that says which ones people should follow and which ones they shouldn't, so that just confirms that people only follow the parts of the Bible they like. Thanks.

Answer 1

The laws weren't abolished. The sacrificial law was fulfilled, but the moral law still exists and always will.

Answer 2

Eating ham on Christmas anyone?

I believe a book written 90 years after Jesus's death stated the Jewish laws were bondage and circumcision is evil and it went on a lot about circumcision. Than that book was accepted by whoever put together the NT. I would assume Jesus followed all the laws. I never heard anything quoting Jesus about not following the laws so I don't know. Maybe someone would know who is in Christian studies.

Answer 3

They ot laws werent abolished. Jesus' sacrifice of himself on the cross stopped the need for animal sacrifice to atone for sins. This has nothing to do with the commandments or any other laws or rules. This is limited to the animal sacrifice thing.

I believe many jews still follow the kosher eating rules, although they do not recognize jesus as the son of god. As far as things like no longer stoning and ect ect ect. Well, it still goes on in eastern countries. Her in the us we have come to value women as people, not property. Biblically women were property and marriage was a pre arranged business deal.

Answer 4

The Old Covenant was NOT abolished, but FULFILLED by Jesus the Christ.

Read The Gospel of Matthew 23:2-3
"Then said Jesus to the crowds and to His disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice'".

1 Corinthians 11:1-2
"Be imitators of me as I am of Christ. I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you."

Saint Irenaeus 200 AD
Second generation Christian Apostle
"For where the Church is, there is the Spirit of God; and where the Spirit of God, there the Church and every Grace. The Spirit, however, is Truth." Against Heresies 3,24,1

Answer 5

Jesus upheld the 10 commandments, as he did the great commandment of "love the lord your God" and "love your neighbor as yourself." Mosaic law--all the codes you mentioned, were for the Jews, never for Gentiles. Actually, the early church had much discussion about whether to uphold Mosaic law or not. But you are right, if someone is quoting part of the Mosaic law, such as dietary codes, they should be adhering to the whole thing. Personally, I've got all I can do adhering to Jesus' teachings.

Answer 6

2 Timothy 3:16-17....All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,  that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

it says all scriptures not half or just some.

ever since Christendom called the Hebrew scriptures "old" and the Christian Greek scriptures "new" they for some reason believe that the new is better then the old, but if they read the Bible they will see that Jesus refers many times to the so called "old"

Answer 7

The Judaic laws were not abolished when Jesus died. Jesus was a devout Jew; those who wrote the NT knew this and knew they could not obscure this fact. So instead they came up with the idea of simply stating that though a Jew his entire life, Jesus decided to suddenly declare that the laws no longer applied.

It's cobblers, frankly. A transparent attempt to dilute the value and longevity of Judaism.

Paul, who was responsible for many of these falsehoods, did not actually meet Jesus. Not even once. Yet this does not seem to bother Christians.

Answer 8

--THE LAW & its over 600 laws including the 10 commandments were simply consolidated in the 2 greatest commandments , that in principle incorporate all the important rules, laws, etc. of the Law given to the Israelites!

(Mark 12:28-31) “. . .Now one of the scribes that had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first of all?” 29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.””

>>>NOTE HOW James emphasizes the above in how "love" rather than "law" should be the impetus of what we do or not do to our neighbor:

(James 2:8-9) “. . .If, now, YOU practice carrying out the kingly law according to the scripture: “You must love your neighbor as yourself,” YOU are doing quite well. 9 But if YOU continue showing favoritism, YOU are working a sin, for YOU are reproved by the law as transgressors.”

--PLEASE NOTE this definition of "principle" and how the laws, decrees, commands that God gave are subject to it as Jesus summed up what would be the impetus to the following especially the 10 commandments!
--THE TEN primary commandments, which God especially highlighted would have strong bearing on all the other 600 and more laws!

--"A principle signifies a point (or points) of probability on a subject (e.g., the principle of creativity), which allows for the formation of rule or norm or law by (human) interpretation of the phenomena (events) that can be created. The rules, norms and laws depend on and co-create a particular context to formulate. A principle is the underlying part (or spirit) of the basis for an evolutionary normative or formative development, which is the object of subjective experience and/or interpretation. For example, the ethics of someone may be seen as a set of principles that the individual obeys in the form of rules, as guidance or law. These principles thus form the basis for such ethics.
--Reducing a rule to its principle says that, for the purpose at hand, the principle will not / cannot be questioned or further derived (unless you create new rules). This is a convenient way of reducing the complexity of an argumentation.
--The point of principle allows to create all probable versions under its subjective theme, as its reality creation/evolvement under that subject is open-ended and unpredictable relying on choice and option. Rules and laws capture a consensus that certain actions and events will occur under a principle (or a combination of principles)."

=====UPDATE=======
**TO ILLUSTRATE THIS:

--A law , decree, command, warning of not to throw garbage on your neighbors lawn COULD BE STATED THIS WAY:
>>>"Do not throw garbage on anyones property , which is punishable by a jail sentence"

--THE PRINCIPLE of love that Jesus gave , could be elaborated on without a warning of punishment given:
"Love of neighbor and appreaciation for others and their rights to maintain a beautiful garden home would be healthy for all to have in mind "

Answer 9

In some ways the 10 commandments are relevant ( there good rules to live by).
You are correct, other wise we would still have to sacrifice for forgiveness.
Jesus gave a new commandment to love which is a higher commandment that all 10.
If you apply love in all you do then why would you need the old commandments ?

Answer 10

Jesus didn't come to abolish the laws - he came to fulfill them. The 10 Commandments were kept because they make sense, and it's a good way to try and live. It was just no longer necessary to sacrifice sheep, and the such. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice.