Creationists: Is it possible God does not exist?

Question

I ask this because I often see creationists asking 'evolutionists' if they believe evolution can be wrong, or if another possibility exists.

It is an important question. If a person believes they cannot be wrong, that belief is not scientific, and it has no place in science.

So, do you believe it is possible that God does not exist?

Wow. All of you who answered something along the lines of ' I CANNOT be Wrong', I hope you understand how truly primitive and immature such beliefs are.

It's the intellectual equivalent of a temper-tantrum.

Jon:

It's funny that you are the one who said 'closed-minded and ignorant'. Projection anyone?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Answer 1

Jon B. wrote:

"The attempt at entrapment was poorly framed. Obviously, if I answer with 'I only believe in God' you accuse me of being close minded and ignorant. If I answer 'Maybe, there is no God' you call into question my entire faith/religion".

Your religion is far more questionable if you're unable to admit that there might not be any God. Insisting that there's no chance that you're wrong about that is the surest way to demonstrate that your religious beliefs can't stand up to any scrutiny. The correct answer - and the one that honors your religion - is to admit that there might not be any God. If you're willing to admit that, I respect you (and I gave thumbs-up to those who were strong enough to do so).

That's not only the empirically correct stand, but if faith is to be part of your religion, then your religion demands it as well. If you can't accept the possibility that you're wrong, then you've eliminated the role of faith in religion. Is that really what you intended to do?

Jon also writes

"Therefore, I submit, that both creation and evolution demand a level of faith. The question asked above goes to both groups. Since my proof in God exists in the same places your proof of evolution exists, no one can win".

Wrong. There's plenty of evidence for evolution, and none for the existence of any gods.

You made the wrong decision here twice.

Answer 2

NOBODY can prove OR disprove the existence of God. As an agnostic, I believe that if there is a God, he is a cosmic God, not a personal one (as in the Abrahamic religions).

However, the Abrahamic god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is another story. I think I can present an argument that some will concede meets a reasonable standard of proof.
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Ten FACTS that debunk the Abrahamic Religions

Fact #1:

Men, everywhere on the planet, have created countless gods from time, immemorial.

Fact #2:

No two gods are exactly the same.

Fact #3:

Most gods are dead or dying and their religions are now ancient myths – despite being dominant for hundreds and even thousands of years. The first truly great monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism, is a millennia older than Judaism and is STILL practiced by a million adherents.

Fact #4:

Scripture was edited and nurtured over the course of hundreds of years. That's not divine inspiration.

Fact #5:

Christianity is a selective copy of previous religions: notably ancient Egyptian, Babylonian and Persian. The story of Jesus unabashedly plagiarizes the stories of Horus, Ahura Mazda and Mithras. The savior theme and the miracles of Jesus' story is a common spiritual model replicated by many religions BEFORE Christianity.

Fact #6:

Abrahamic religions deal in the supernatural (i.e. things that are physically impossible in the natural world). Faith in the supernatural requires suspension of disbelief (i.e. the believer must convince himself that the impossible is possible).

Fact #7:

The 4 gospels of the New Testament are attributed to 4 of Jesus’ disciples: but “Matthew”, “Mark”, “Luke” and “John” are pseudonyms used by anonymous authors, from the Roman Empire, who wrote these gospels (in Greek) long after ALL the disciples were dead.

Fact #8:

The chroniclers and historians of Jesus’ era and region somehow managed not to notice the fantastic achievements and stories of the legendary Jesus or his hordes of followers – despite writing about many other, less note-worthy, contemporaries of Jesus.

Fact #9:

The legacy of the Abrahamic religions is one of intolerance, corruption, schisms, inquisitions, crusades, enmity, war and hatred, that (mostly) continues to this very day.

Fact #10:

Mankind has benefited and advanced through intellectual achievements – not spiritual ones (if there are any). The intellectual discipline of science has never sparked a war or burned a heretic. The world’s charities are non-profit, while the Catholic church is the richest institution of any kind, by far, in the world.
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To Fundamentalist Christians:

I address this to you because most adherents leaven their belief with a little common sense. Fundamentalists do not.

These 10 facts are clear and convincing evidence that ALL religions and gods are man-made. Those who deny this evidence are placed in the untenable position of asserting that their particular God and religion is an exception. Maintaining the falsity of the thousands of other religions, while claiming your own is real and true, is transparently ridiculous.

The scientific rigor of proof is exceptionally stringent. Science regards evolution as a proven fact. One can assert that God layered all that fossil evidence in the earth – in just the right sequence – to fool us for some reason: but that assertion has no evidence and can be ruled out without fear of equivocation. In the same way, the assertion that one particular God is real when we know the others are man-made is so unlikely as to be entirely discounted in the absence of some sort of evidence.

If you’re a confirmed, devout, Fundamentalist Christian, I know you will continue to deny. Denial is your stock in trade. So let me try to approach this from your point of view (if I can presume to do so).

You love and believe in God and Jesus and the Bible because you think they’re good, loving, holy and, most importantly, true. You see no contradiction in Original Sin, genocide, war or murder as long as it’s sanctioned by your good, loving, holy and truthful God.

If the Bible says it, you believe it. If the Bible says you’re born an unworthy sinner, then you were born an unworthy sinner. If the Bible says Jesus died for your sins, it doesn’t matter that God is the one who imputed Original Sin upon you to begin with. If God says you’ll rot in hell if you don’t believe in him, then you’ll just have to believe in him . . . you’ll find some way to avoid doubt – some way to sublimate your thoughts: after all, hell sounds like a very nasty place.

Sublimating your thoughts IS essential . . . isn’t it? You’re guilty of adultery or fornication if you lust in your heart. Have you ever lusted? Have you ever sinned? Do you still sin? Then you CAN’T control your thoughts, can you? Of course not. You’re not perfect. You’re human. Because you believe every word of the Bible, you will always feel guilty – because you’re human. How crazy is that? Your religion puts you at odds with yourself. You must spend your life in denial of YOURSELF. No wonder you’re so good at this denial thing. You’ve got it down pat.

Answer 3

I believe in a balance between the two:
God created the original creatures, and their offspring got variations. The ones who were strongest lived on and produced more like them with better features suited to their environment.

Answer 4

No, because I was miraculously healed when I prayed to this God that you doubt exists. If He doesn't exist then how did my leg grow out 3/4 of an inch and how was my hearing restored from 50% to 100%? Oh YES, He does exist and He loves you and wants you to come back to Him, but He'll never force you.

And your thought about 'If a person believes they cannot be wrong, that belief is not scientific, and it has no place in science' I believe that I cannot be wrong that if I drop ANYTHING, gravity will cause that thing to fall to the ground. Does your theory mean that that belief is unscientific or simply been OBSERVED ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A SCIENTIFIC LAW?

Answer 5

it is possible something exists that does not like to talk to us. he could still be miffed over the girl, the fruit and the snake thing. it could also be true that there is no god and that we have to work amongst ourselves to solve our own problems.

What a concept! We must cooperate or die.

Answer 6

Excellent point. Unfortunately, the people you are trying to convince are probably dismissing it without thinking.

Answer 7

God is real!
If you don't believe in truth, then tell me where did the first atom come from to split into two, that split into four, that split into eight,.... into all there is today? Not to mention how all came together and made all there is now.

Answer 8

Its possible. But, is it probable?

Answer 9

The attempt at entrapment was poorly framed. Obviously, if I answer with 'I only believe in God' you accuse me of being close minded and ignorant. If I answer 'Maybe, there is no God' you call into question my entire faith/religion.

Therefore, I submit, that both creation and evolution demand a level of faith. The question asked above goes to both groups. Since my proof in God exists in the same places your proof of evolution exists, no one can win.

Answer 10

It is possible but i have faith he is real