R&S- your thoughts?

Question

"Only when we can love hell will we find heaven."-- Unknown source

"When you are able to contain both the light and dark together, that is a very enlightening state. It means that you no longer have to choose one experience over another. You do not have to choose love OR hate, blame OR forgiveness, sadness OR joy, anger OR openheartedness. You are no longer polarized; no particular feeling boxes you in and keeps you from the light of true self. You then have access to the full range of human experiences you came into this life to embrace."-- Martia Nelson

Your kind and respectful thoughts, please?

Answer 1

Martia is right on!

We cannot segregate the multifaceted dimensions of the human experience. Even to love is to accept the shortcomings of the person we love.... there is no "OR"...

Answer 2

I think that quote above about heaven and hell, is just a way of helping people get through bad periods in their life.
People forget that God created everthing including the bad with the good. That speaks alot in volumes, but I'm afraid each individual will have to work that one out for themselves.
I really don't use hate in my vocabulary, because frankly, I don't hate anything or anyone. I much rather prefer the light over the dark though.

Maybe we don't have to contain either, since we are all one and connected?

Answer 3

i'm scuffling with enlightenment, and whether I see some issues on your element that trust my very own, my direction and conclusions are distinctive. For if we hint our origins returned to the 1st actual lifestyles type, we would desire to ask the question: what's lifestyles? what's it that makes us persons yet having to return from one very long ineffective organism? Did we easily stay an extremely long term and rejuvenate ourselves from uncooked skill, and if so, how might desire to we ever understand this grew to become into the case? So I easily have had to end, understanding no longer something, which will of a few superior and greater useful being has entered this measurement and has set into place a regulation governing nature and our situation. in the sphere concept, all which you're saying is obviously real...there might desire to be no huge difference between the muck and the spirit, yet for sure, there is....yet is it basically because of the fact we've self assurance there is? And as a result, (skipping forward some concept-techniques) in attempting to tension our very own wills upon the difficulty (the substance we are created from) why can we no longer tension our wills upon different rely? Is it real the difficulty belongs to basically one soul? Then we would desire to by some means communicate with it,...whether no longer unavoidably to understand...yet to learn how to pass interior of it plenty as a swimmer does in a river. Then as quickly as we understand this pass, we are able to apply it to direct at others. yet this being so, why is it we can't do it with out wakeful concept? Are there blockages of this pass from interior of us? Then we would desire to do away with the ego. Are there blockages of this pass from outdoors human beings? How can we fix that one? i'm nonetheless studying....evidently that merely >believing< it is so does not unavoidably >make< it so.

Answer 4

I definately like both quotes. I think the first is very true in that we have to experience the bad to truly appreciate the good. And the second one I like but like one of the answerers before me it kind of sounds like its talking about apathy towards both sides. I think it is more important to be able to see and feel both good and bad. And like the answerer above me said "you must not only know when to fight fire with fire but what kind of fire to use" lol I like that quote too. =) thank you for the wonderful quotes and I hope you have a blessed day.

Answer 5

The first quote I understand... find love to even the darkest things and show respect to such.

But the second seems very hazy...it doesn't speak of balance but of indifference.

I imagine enlightenment to know when and how to fight fire with fire and to know which fire to use as well...not to "not have to choose"
-There is always a choice

Answer 6

This resembles the nirvana state in Buddhist philosophy. A state free from any mind-contaminants ,a state of perfect peace unobstructed by psychological conditioning. It sounds like it would take a lifetime of practice and patience

Answer 7

I agree completely. We have to experience the dark sides of life in order to be able to appreciate the rest; this is true thanksgiving, the state of being appreciative because we have the experience of the negative as well as the positive.

This is a state that I think few people have achieved constant awareness of--Mother Teresa and the Dalai Lama come to mind as two examples who have achieved this state--but I think we all have our moments of clarity when we are in such state, and this state is our best self expressed.

An inspiring set of quotes for the day; thank you, Kallan. :)

(((((((Kallan)))))))

Answer 8

i figure it's only once we been through hell can we appreciate heaven... kinda like life itself... and it takes the light and dark together to make our existence as physical beings...

Answer 9

I do agree =]
if nothing else we can't truly understand or appreciate either....even if we were to choose...without experiencing the opposite.

Answer 10

basically all states just are. we add to them the value of good or bad, dfesirable or not according to our set of values.
once we learn to let them be and exprience them as they are, without judgement, we'll be able to accept ourselves as we really are.
it's a hard thing to get to.